@Bonddam I have indeed been waiting just at the 2 month mark for my Empyreans. I guess they have been pretty backed up. I currently have the 4z with the Woo WA22 to entertain me. I am beginning to wonder if I should have gotten the standard 4 instead of the 4z, but its always hard to know with things like that. I have a GSX MK2 on the way and a Norne silver cable as well. That will hopefully be the telling factor for me on the 4z's. I owned the 4's in the past and they were great so I may end up going after those again. Either way if you are diggin your Empyrean's with the Norne cable + GSX Mini + Denafrips Ares 2 that gives me hope. I will be running my Empyrean through a Norne cable + GSX MK2 + Denafrips Terminator. Can't wait. How is the ZMF Verite Open in comparison? I'm also considering a Hifiman HE1000SE or maybe a V2.