Low end. Cheap. Generic. Otherwise bang for buck cable thread!

Feb 1, 2019 at 4:05 PM Post #571 of 9,516
So I've been procrastinating at getting some MMCX cables and I'm now looking at these two options (thanks to HungryPanda and hakuzen for recommending):
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NIC...4mm-Plug-MMCX-2Pin-Connector/32953432742.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NIC...3-5-2-5-4-4mm-Plug-MMCX-2Pin/32954926911.html

Noob question - what's the difference between silver plated and high purity copper? Is there a better option at this price point or should I wait for the next batch of AliExpress sales in March for more options?
 
Feb 1, 2019 at 4:50 PM Post #572 of 9,516
My experience is that the best of the cheaper cables are either single crystal copper (preferred) or high purity copper.
Outside of more expensive and exotic metals or metal combinations, such as true gold cables, these two options are the best.
Of course, connection soldering, and the general quality of the build have impacts.
Silver plated. unless I am mistaken and feel free to correct me, really has no or little impact on the conductivity of the cable.
 
Feb 2, 2019 at 8:54 AM Post #573 of 9,516
My experience is that the best of the cheaper cables are either single crystal copper (preferred) or high purity copper.
Outside of more expensive and exotic metals or metal combinations, such as true gold cables, these two options are the best.
Of course, connection soldering, and the general quality of the build have impacts.
Silver plated. unless I am mistaken and feel free to correct me, really has no or little impact on the conductivity of the cable.
That's my thoughts too. These plating of exotic metal cannot have an effect on conductivity as they are layered in micro amounts. Whether they have effect on capacitance and field effect on a cable is another matter. I think solid-core hybrid cables with both silver and copper could be having better results. However common thinking of cumulative effects (Caused by silver and copper) achieved in such cables could be just over-simplification of electric properties. Real world effects on sound, of course, measured by direct experience by listeners and have so much subjectivity instilled into such claims.
 
Feb 2, 2019 at 4:30 PM Post #574 of 9,516
Feb 2, 2019 at 7:32 PM Post #575 of 9,516
Its been a long discussion and debate about cable, material, custom,build quality etc...
One theory, that doesnt make sense based on my exp, is having copper cable (very low ohm) which claims to be the highest purity, but the shocking impression result was Detail on High freq, and decent bass (low freq).

My experience is that the best of the cheaper cables are either single crystal copper (preferred) or high purity copper.
Outside of more expensive and exotic metals or metal combinations, such as true gold cables, these two options are the best.
Of course, connection soldering, and the general quality of the build have impacts.
Silver plated. unless I am mistaken and feel free to correct me, really has no or little impact on the conductivity of the cable.
+1
Just be open mind to option...
IMO, SPC cable if make in industrial scale, with good QC, it makes a good Quality product with much more reasonable price, can delivered a better sound quality.
True gold cable is stiff, and breakable, had seen it, not for mobile purpose. I found it will be a good pair end game combo if your preference in the Mid freq.

That's my thoughts too. These plating of exotic metal cannot have an effect on conductivity as they are layered in micro amounts. Whether they have effect on capacitance and field effect on a cable is another matter. I think solid-core hybrid cables with both silver and copper could be having better results. However common thinking of cumulative effects (Caused by silver and copper) achieved in such cables could be just over-simplification of electric properties. Real world effects on sound, of course, measured by direct experience by listeners and have so much subjectivity instilled into such claims.
Valid point, in the end The main question is how much the market willing to pay. The chicken and egg theory comes next, pure or artificial, which can delivered almost the same result (in time can be better).

I decided to get this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Ori...e-With-MMCX-Connector-for-LZ/32887975691.html

Wanted a budget MMCX 3.5mm cable with no ear hook. If I don't like it, I can always buy something more expensive down the road. Just dipping my toes into this cable thing!
Try it first, i had used this on my POLARIS, due to looking soundstage and better sparkling (high freq) over copper stock cable.


I always want to meet somebody who had this passion hobby, my first indicator is cable, How far he will go to upgrade his cable, because the upgrade result will be not significant with the chance make it worst or not even a good combo with the DAP nor IEM.
And the next question will be, is it worthy ?

I met some audiophile who alrd in the end game, some how I found their gear is not the high end version. Is based on what his/her ear preference.

My point is be open mind, the frustration of find a good pair of cable is time and money. I know cause i am also in that road... #Cable geek
My greatest fear is when wireless already reach the SQ of cable... Then I need to find other geek product to annoy....
 
Feb 2, 2019 at 8:12 PM Post #576 of 9,516
I received the BGVP 6N 400 core earphones OCC cable 2.5mm today. Quality cable with 1 big flaw: no indication at all with connector is left and which is right (as far as I can see for now).

Other than its cosmetics how did you find the BGVP OCC cable in terms of sound alone ? Mid/Lows improved ?
How does it sonically compare to the NiceHKC OCC at the $68 range atm ?

Seems to be the cheapest OCC in its price range at the moment and thinking to use with DM6 single ended to V30.
 
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Feb 4, 2019 at 1:55 AM Post #579 of 9,516
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Have anyone else bought the NiceHCK 8 core 6n GC-OCC single crytal cable ? No 140 on @hakuzen list
I found both of mine (1 mmcx with BGVP DM6 & 1 2-pin with Moondrop Kanas Pro) sounds overly piercing bright. Other than that this cable is really good in craftmanship, really good connectors too.
Works probably better than my 8 core pure copper cable from nicehck...
Just happened 5 minutes ago
 
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Feb 4, 2019 at 8:55 AM Post #580 of 9,516

Works probably better than my 8 core pure copper cable from nicehck...
Just happened 5 minutes ago
ouch! that cable has superb conductivity (due to wire thickness) for the price, but plugs and build quality aren't the best..
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NIC...mm-Balanced-8-Core-6N-GC-OCC/32945688424.html has better plugs and better quality copper for sure (6N g-OCC vs simple OFC), but it's very thin, so conductivity is not great.

So I've been procrastinating at getting some MMCX cables and I'm now looking at these two options (thanks to HungryPanda and hakuzen for recommending):
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NIC...4mm-Plug-MMCX-2Pin-Connector/32953432742.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NIC...3-5-2-5-4-4mm-Plug-MMCX-2Pin/32954926911.html
Noob question - what's the difference between silver plated and high purity copper? Is there a better option at this price point or should I wait for the next batch of AliExpress sales in March for more options?
based on my experience with chi-cables:
copper
when they say high purity copper, it means simple OFC (oxygen free copper).
there is better quality copper (single crystal, OCC -Ohno Continuous Casting-, and variants, like frozen copper or others). in theory, few boundaries in copper help to better conductivity, more linear resistance.
same with purity grade of copper (4N=99.99%, 5N=99.999%, 6N=99.9999%, 7N=99.99999%). fewer impurities help to better conductivity, more linear resistance.
if the changes when using this better copper are audible, is still in discussion. measurements say the difference is not audible. but there might be some differences (minor distortions, for example) which can't be measured, and our brain is very special when perceiving sound.
anyway, difference of price is usually huge, compared to audible improvement. chinese manufacturers and sellers lie frequently about the quality of the copper (specially about purity grade) and it's difficult to prove it.
so trying them is the only way to know if it's worth it for you.
silver plated copper
when they say silver plated copper, it is usually tin plated. when they say pure silver wire, it is pure silver plated copper wire frequently.
true silver plating raise the price considerably. and true pure silver wire is around double the price of true silver plated copper.
silver is only a bit more conductive than copper. its structure and purity could contribute to better conductivity, more linear resistance, as well.
again, we are in the same place than before: audible improvement? at what cost?

there is some consensus about copper and silver (true silver, not tin or other alloys): copper preserves lows better, silver preserves highs better. not demonstrated once again, but some people affirm to be able to distinguish between them.

I decided to get this:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Ori...e-With-MMCX-Connector-for-LZ/32887975691.html
Wanted a budget MMCX 3.5mm cable with no ear hook. If I don't like it, I can always buy something more expensive down the road. Just dipping my toes into this cable thing!
that's a good spc cable to start with. number 037 in my list, it's a decent upgrade from many stock cables. it's probably tin plated copper wire. around 380mΩ per signal.

if you prefer copper to spc (which is tin plated copper probably), you can consider this cable at similar price (~$10):
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32971728152.html
not in my list yet, but i guess it's 0.1mm*7strands*8cores (~26.7awg/signal) simple OFC. resistance should be around 230-240mΩ, which is a bit better than 037's resistance (380mΩ).

its 16 cores version seems to use same wire. if so, its resistance should be around 120mΩ. but cost is ~$28:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32954926911.html
 
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Feb 4, 2019 at 9:46 AM Post #581 of 9,516
Guys, I have a question about aliexpress,

I made an order 2 month ago for some cables and now buyer protection has 3 days remaining out of the 2 month, i still didn't receive the item but it seems going through the process.

i contacted the seller to extend the buyer protection, but they don't answer ( i guess they have Chinese new year vacation)

I contacted support of aliexpress she said you automatically get additional 15 days of buyer protection after the 2 month. ( i am not sure about that myself but she said so)

So, since there are 3 days remaining on the order page, should i dispute now ? or should i wait after the 3 days may be i get another 15 days as the support said then i would dispute at the end of them 15 days)

I also don't want to dispute to get refund and receive the item later without paying for it, so anyone with experience could chime in ?

Thanks
 
Feb 4, 2019 at 4:14 PM Post #583 of 9,516
spoiler PART 2 of DC resistance of some cables (below 400mΩ, average)
(had to split the spoiler of pics and comments, due to limitation of attached files..)

pics & comments of cables, part 1

065. jcally 5n painted ofc/tpc 4c (various colors,cheap furt,MV)
structure: 0.08mm*63(22AWG)*4c pvc sleeve. 500D fiber yarn, to absorb moisture.
they say copper is plated, and then painted. various colors and combinations available. some versions come with a nice small soft fabric zipper pouch.
superb conductivity, due to thickness of cable. similar structure than cable 125, but strands are 0.08mm instead of 0.10mm.
sound is less clean than cable 125, because of worse quality of copper, paint around copper, and worse plugs and solders (found some units where some threads of the cores are not well soldered; small space to solder?). but way cheaper and good enough for not very resolving iems.
colors are nice, but i'd prefer to achieve it by coloring sleeves, rather than painting conductor.
zsn termination (c-type) is intended for QDC and BQEYZ: pins are inverted polarity respect KZs,

copper 5n ofc/tpc not painted?: 88/86..89/89..90/82..92/93..[36]
65_jcally_tpc_4c_furutCheap_copper.jpg


dark blue painted 5n tpc: 84..184..80..107..[34.4g]
65_jcally_tpc_4c_furutCheap_darkblue.jpg


4 colors painted (these are the plugs i got with dark blue cable; cheap look)
65_jcally_tpc_4c_furutCheap_tricolor.jpg


gold painted 5n tpc
65_jcally_tpc_4c_furutCheap_golden.jpg


possible wire used: http://www.lunashops.com/goods.php?id=6229 (not accurate structure, doubtful quality)
or: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32945488579.html (more accurate structure, doubtful quality)
(although conductor quality doesn't match; it's probably 4N or 5N ofc, like jc ally claims)
65_wire_01.jpg


links:
copper (not painted?):
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32995790233.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32954964343.html
copper+gold:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32995762667.html
silver:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32957936506.html
silver+gold:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32960771422.html
gold:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32958004749.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32959362129.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32993765614.html
dark blue:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32957229163.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32959322283.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32995818187.html
silver+dark blue:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32957125438.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32957189326.html
4 colors:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32959266536.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32957113799.html


066. jcally 5n painted tpc 8c (black,cheap furt,MV)
structure: 0.07mm*25(27awg)*8c [2c/signal:24AWG]. 500D nylon. 0.4u plated thickness. anti-oxidation protective paint. pvc sleeve, various colors.
nice conductivity. but i don't like this kind of cheap furutech styled jack (found some units where one signal core is not well soldered; small space for solder?).
softer and more flexible than 065.
good enough for not very resolving iems.
zsn termination (c-type) is intended for QDC and BQEYZ: pins are inverted polarity respect KZs,

black (zsn version): 249..130..126..126..[29.2g]
66_jcally_tpc_8c_furutCheap_black.jpg


silver:
66_jcally_tpc_8c_furutCheap_silver.jpg


gold:
66_jcally_tpc_8c_furutCheap_gold.jpg


links:
black:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32994432994.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32959286936.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32965501955.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32971877740.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32965649117.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32957213673.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32944517378.html
silver:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32955789068.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32957846448.html
gold:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32947859742.html


053. great conductivity. some details (strain reliefs, easier repairable plugs) are better in (052). this wire is thicker, softer but less flexible. weight: 27.2g. variants: copper/ mixed copper & silver plated / silver plated (various colors, worse conductivity though).
structure could be: 0.10mm*19(25awg)*8c [2c/signal:22.5AWG]. if true, and wire material/plugs were better quality, it'd measure about 95mΩ (15-20mΩ less).
however, different color versions use different wire.
decent sound and quality and superb conductivity for the price.

hck ct1 ofc 8c (brown,slim plugs,M): 110..avg (115 mmcx)..[27g]..many measured
53_nicehck_slim_8c_copp_brown.jpg


hck tdy1 tpc 8c (silver,slim plugs,M): 134/155..163/150..132/138..148/152
53_nicehck_slim_8c_spc_silver.jpg


other colors and wires:
53_nicehck_slim_8c_spc_black.jpg
53_nicehck_slim_8c_spc_coppersilver.jpg
53_nicehck_slim_8c_spc_orangesilver.jpg
53_nicehck_slim_8c_spc_redsilver.jpg


links:
brown:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32916162030.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32955106234.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32967812606.html
silver:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32914622984.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32982483321.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32955233095.html
black:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32913860097.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32982459409.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32955880601.html
orange+silver:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32913561570.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32978957265.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32955237212.html
red+silver:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32913617162.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32982495142.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32955912501.html
copper+silver
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32916975214.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32982355990.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32957246972.html


145
. this wire looks like (053). in fact, same colors available (orange+white, red+white, silver..). but brown color version of this cable says it's spc, while brown (053) is copper. the wire is not identical, when you close look at it.
anyway, superb conductivity for the price as well.
this is audio-technica plug version; other non-standard terminations are available.
_145_zsfs_occ_spc_8c_ath-im02_brown.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32887178817.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32887556304.html


052
. oem (various re-branded) chinese cable.
good conductivity, very well built, quite long threaded (repairable and trimmable) plugs.
ofc or tin/alloy plated ofc (unsure, each color use different wire).
0.08mm*19(27awg)*8c [2c/signal:24AWG] or 0.10mm*19(25awg)*8c [2c/signal:22.5AWG].
various terminations, colors: gold, silver, silver+copper, copper, brown, black.
soft and flexible, but in different grades (like conductivity), depending of the wire and color.

oem tpc 8c (gold,eid): 96..99..91..104..[27.5]
BEWARE: version with gold plated jack (instead of nickel/rhodium) is being sent from some shops; different wire, resistance ~235mΩ
52_kinera_spc8cm_yellow.jpg


oem tpc 8c (silver,eid): 130..avg..many measured
52_yinyoo_TinPC8cm_silv.jpg


oem tpc+ofc? 8c (silver+copper,eid,M): 135/131..131/132..190/184..208/240
one type of conductor used for signal, the other type for ground (cold, in balanced)
52_yinyoo_TinPC8cm_copp_silv.jpg


oem tpc 8c (copper,eid,M): 180..avg..[24.7]..(many measured, the most flexible)
52_yinyoo_TinPC8cm_copp.jpg


oem tpc 8c (brown,eid,M): 188..188..185..185
52_yinyoo_TinPC8cm_br.jpg


possible wire used:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32911867550.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32846230753.html
52_wire_g1.jpg
52_wire_s1.jpg
52_wire_cs1.jpg
52_wire_c1.jpg
52_wire_b1.jpg
52_wire_bk1.jpg

or:
52_wire_g2.jpg


links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32881372793.html (last sent was the worst conductivity version)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32989617222.html (don't know which version they'll send)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32900868698.html (don't know which version they'll send)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32880388943.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32882694116.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32992895977.html
(there are other shops and re-brands)


051. tpc 8c (grey,eid,M): 128..128..126..138..[27.4g]
very similar to cables 052. same jacks and strain reliefs, but different termination plugs (2pins version is flush, not protruding; different splitter and chin slider).
wire could be similar quality to the best 052s.
51_kinboofi_SPC8cm_grey.jpg
51_wire.jpg



155. oem (various re-brands) silver spc 8c (silver,eid,MV): 256/254..258/249..245/245..260/246..[23.4g]
advertised as pure silver, it's spc, or even tin/alloy plated copper.
it's funny to see prices going from $80 ("pure silver") to $27 at different shops. the cable is identical.
although less conductive than 051, 052, 053, guess conductor material is better, maybe true silver plated better copper (price wouldn't be justified otherwise). AB listening is pendent.
_155_oem-hck_ag_4c_eid_silver.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32963189583.html nicehck cy1
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32963249926.html nicehck vs audio
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32982939514.html toneking avckck
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32964307166.html antcodo (way cheapest!, various terminations, but not 2.5/4.4mm)
(there are other shops and re-brands)

pics & comments of cables, part 3

DC resistance of some cables for KZs (below $40, approx.)
 

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Feb 4, 2019 at 4:18 PM Post #584 of 9,516
spoiler PART 3 of DC resistance of some cables (below 400mΩ, average)
(had to split the spoiler of pics and comments, due to limitation of attached files..)

pics & comments of cables, part 1

pics & comments of cables, part 2

110. 7n spc 16c (silver,viablue): 165..145..155..155
16 very thin cores of spc wire.
_110_wea_7nSpc_16cThin_silver.jpg



120. bgvp 6n occ+spc? 8c (grey) =DM6 stock: 169..173..277..190
bgvp spc cable, identical to DM6 stock cable (but this has balanced, straight plug). nice looking (grey and silver), ear guides cover part of the mmcx plug. but strain relief of jack is too short and stiff, conductivity could be better, and one of the solders in my unit was not as good as the others. they give extended info of the cable at product's page, but it doesn't seem to match reality, after measuring it. anyway, one of the best stock cables provided.
_120_bgvp_6nocc%2Bspc_8c_grey.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32874694013.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32951347452.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32863920457.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32885943357.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32867032796.html


100. impactAudio infinite copper 5n 4c (custom,MV): 190..190..182..180
impact audio customized cable. this is not my unit. true eidolic plugs, excellent built and look. voluminous and heavy, due to the thick braided textile sleeve. honest 5n copper cable. pity for us he is taking some vacations now.
_100_ImpactAudioInfinite_4NCu_4c_eido.jpg



060. hck ct3 ofc 8c (brown,furt,M): 206/210..206/204..200/205..486/195..[19g]
best conductivity and build quality in the cheapest segment (<$10) cables.
very soft and flexible. blue point marks ground/- pin.
sound is acceptable.
60_nicehck_ofc_8c_furutBk_brown.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32971728152.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32974695270.html


054
. lz 6n frozen spc 8c (brown,M): 240..240..240..300
6n frozen spc.. maybe, but thin conductor (it could be 0.1mm*7*8c)
54_lz_6Nfroz_8c_brown.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32952794266.html


055
. tpc 16c (silver,oyde,M): 221/232..218/236..221/221..232/235
16 cores, but worse conductivity than some cheaper 8 cores. (050) is its 8 cores sibling. very soft and flexible, though. decent sound.
silver:
55_yinyoo_SPC16c_m_silv.jpg



070. tpc 16c (pink,eid,M): 240..240..237..252..[22.2g]
ultra soft and flexible. nice color for pink lovers. better jack (my fav) than other 16 cores cables.
decent sound.
70_yinyoo_spc16c_eid_pink.jpg



063. hck tdy3 tpc 16c (black,furt,M): 223..226..225..230..[21.9]
again, not remarkable conductivity being a 16 cores wire.
very soft and flexible. not ear guides. blue point marks ground/- pin.
decent sound.
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links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32953432742.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32956603145.html


062
. hck ct2 ofc 16c (brown,furt,M): 402..259..239..244..[22.50g]
worse conductivity (narrower conductor) than its 8 cores sibling.
very soft and flexible. not ear guides. blue point marks ground/- pin.
decent sound.
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links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32954926911.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32953516959.html


050. 2pins version is wrong molded for kz (but good for BQEYZ KC2, for example) in the 2 units i own -watch phase!-. you can remold the ear guides. soft and flexible.
various colors and terminations.

tpc 8c (black,oyde,M): 260..270..260..260
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tpc 8c (gold,oyde,M): 346..636..374..443
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links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32889396437.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32854751277.html


059. kz spc 8c (silver+gold,oyde,M): 281..278..250..255..[17.9g]
kz upgrade cable.
structure: 0.05mm*25(30awg)*8c, equivalent to 27AWG per signal. silver color alloy plated + gold color alloy plated ofc (of course it's not true silver and gold plated).
terminations available: 2pins type A (0.75mm), type C (zsn, 0.75mm), mmcx.
only 3.5mm jack (single end) found.
it uses more even spc wires (silver color alloy plated and gold color alloy plated ofc copper) than last kz cable (058), so you don't find so high and random resistance difference.
good conductivity for the price, decent jack, good strain reliefs, it's last and best upgrade cable made by kz now.
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105. 7n silver 4c (silver,mps): 300..290..280..280
7n pure silver, bought at nicehck. but it's very thin, so conductivity is not that great
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057. nicehck spc 8 cores. very well built, but thin wire, so conductivity is far worse than (052). various colors (and materials?). light and very flexible.
hck spc 8c (silver,furt,M): 310..303..302..319
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copper:
57_nicehck_spc_8c_furut_copper.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32884233509.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32955497775.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32883824667.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32955513689.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32859444405.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32959059115.html


061. hck tdy4 spc 8c (black,furt,M): 350..average..[17.4g]..(many measured)
quite lower conductivity than copper version (narrower conductor).
very soft and flexible. blue point marks ground/- pin.
sound is acceptable.
61_nicehck_tpc_8c_furutBk_black.jpg

links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32973046302.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/32971785145.html


056. trn spc 6nocc 8c tA (various colors,cheapBal furt).trn 8 cores cable.
advertised structure is: 0.08mm*25(26awg)*8c [2c/signal:.~23AWG], "6N monocrystalline occ copper, plated with 85 microns of extruded silver, kevlar fiber reinforced" (judging by the price, it could be alloy plated ofc copper). PE sleeve.
but it looks more of 0.07mm*25(27.2awg)*8c [2c/signal:24AWG], given the resistance values.
the wire looks great (very low resistance), the plugs and splitter look cheap (black color hides this better). available in 0.75mm, 0.78mm, mmcx, and 3.5mm, 2.5mm (balanced),
it would be great if they right soldered the cores; only 1 core for some signals, and possibly, many strands of the cores broken while soldering. very poor solder work.
you won't notice the difference between left and right, in volume (<0.2dB imbalance), but i don't like this uneven measures, it spoils the purpose of using a decent wire. left signal could be lost with time (very few strands of only one core have been soldered).

black and silver: 423/414..219/216..289/244..150/223
56_trn_SPC8c_m_black_silv.jpg


gold and silver: 429/454..289/219..265/135..137/267
56_trn_SPC8c_m_yellow_silv.jpg



058. kz tpc+ofc 8c (silver+copper,oyde,M)
type A(0.75): 216..213..479..503
type B(0.78): 541..552..222..220
kz upgrade 8 cores cable. two types of wire used (copper and sliver plated copper), which have very different resistance. one type is used for signals (left, right), the other type for ground (cold signals in balanced). the problem is that you can't know which material is used for each (got 2 cables, different configuration; it seems random). dunno why they don't use one core of each type for each signal (that would be real copper+spc mixed), if possible.
in one cable, right plug was molded reversed for kz (had to use a hair dresser to remold it).
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037. kz mmcx tpc 4c (silver,oyde): 384..384..375..376
kz cheap upgrade cable for mmcx. good conductivity for the price
37_kz_tingo_oyaide_mmcx_01_1.jpg
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links:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New...le-Use-For-Shure-SE535-SE846/32820576571.html

DC resistance of some cables for KZs (below $40, approx.)
 

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Feb 4, 2019 at 10:08 PM Post #585 of 9,516
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So like Penon does. I got my cables fairly quick. These are the thickest cables I have ever bought. They are made extremely well and have good solid connectors.

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As for the sound. As thick as this cable is it also brings out a thicker warmer, smoother sound. A bit too much so. I am thinking I should have gotten the hybrid version. These cables will come in handy with BA based earphones I am listening to it connected to my IT04 which is my most treble emphasized phone and it almost takes a bit too much from the treble end. I am not gonna judge them quite yet. I will have to try this cable with some of my all BA earphones to see how it meshes with them. Will be back with some observations.
 

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