looking for a speaker setup

[danielhowk]

  You need a Dual XLR or Dual TRS 1/4 Male to 3.5 cable to plug them into onboard audio or into a sound card. A Cable like this http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Cable-STP201-Dual-Insert/dp/B000068O1N/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1445455466&sr=1-4&keywords=TRS+1%2F4  or one like this http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-HMX-006Y-Stereo-Breakout-Cable/dp/B00YSAVW28/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1445455539&sr=1-3&keywords=Dual+XLR+to+3.5 either one of these will work. Doesn't have to be this brand. Just linked the cables so you know what they look like.

it wont spoil overtime right ? is there like a side effect ? and will the audio quality drop for using those cables ? . i mean is changing 2 cable input to 1, wouldnt it have an qudio quality drop or whatsoever ? sorry new to his :S

 

[genclaymore]

As long you don't get some bad cable's then it shouldn't happen.

 

[ProtegeManiac]

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the Elac B6 isnt like JBL LSR305? JBL LSR305 could just connect to my desktop motherboard right ? 

 

Elac B6, rear

 

NAD326BEE, rear (speaker output in center)

 

 

JBL LSR305, rear panel on amplifier (inputs on upper left)

 

 

Motherboard i/o panel (audio outputs on the right)

 

 

 

Scarlett 2i4 audio interface, rear (outputs on right)

 

 

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yeah ive been hearing a good things about Elac B6 so far but its obviously new, not many reviews out there at the moment , but yeah i thought for the same price as a pair of JBL it could be a worthy opponent

 

That will really depend on what kind of amp you can get for the price difference and whether you have the space. However unless we're talking about really good amps or receivers with very convenient connectivity options the amplifier on a studio monitor or some other powered speakers is usually better. For one, they're set up as a full-active system, with one amplifier channel driving each tweeter and woofer, and very likely with crossovers applied before the signal enters the amplifier output stage. 

 

 

[Anthony Lo]

  is a pair of JBL LSR305 worth $540 ? my country selling it for that price  a pair
in the US is only 270-$300 a pair of JBL

I can see there is only cost $248 for a pair in amazon~

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F1DEI8G/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687602&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00DUKP37C&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0PWW3VZR9Z1X6AT4VE1H

 

[danielhowk]

 

 

Elac B6, rear

 

NAD326BEE, rear (speaker output in center)

 

 

JBL LSR305, rear panel on amplifier (inputs on upper left)

 

 

Motherboard i/o panel (audio outputs on the right)

 

 

 

Scarlett 2i4 audio interface, rear (outputs on right)

 

 

 

That will really depend on what kind of amp you can get for the price difference and whether you have the space. However unless we're talking about really good amps or receivers with very convenient connectivity options the amplifier on a studio monitor or some other powered speakers is usually better. For one, they're set up as a full-active system, with one amplifier channel driving each tweeter and woofer, and very likely with crossovers applied before the signal enters the amplifier output stage. 

 

when u mentioned "

For one, they're set up as a full-active system, with one amplifier channel driving each tweeter and woofer, and very likely with crossovers applied before the signal enters the amplifier output stage. " this is mentioning about JBL LSR305 right not the receiver, just to double confirm. for example when using a receiver + Elac B6 i have to connect my monitor hdmi to the receiver then to my motherboard right. will there be additional "latency" ? since if i use the JBL LSR305 is technically connection direct to my motherboard.
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  I can see there is only cost $248 for a pair in amazon~

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F1DEI8G/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687602&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00DUKP37C&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0PWW3VZR9Z1X6AT4VE1H

 

  I can see there is only cost $248 for a pair in amazon~

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F1DEI8G/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687602&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00DUKP37C&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0PWW3VZR9Z1X6AT4VE1H

 
 

  As long you don't get some bad cable's then it shouldn't happen.

just worried that the cables im getting is bad and the sound quality will drop just because of the cables .
is $540 here in my country
http://vbizz.com/lsr305-5-two-way-powered-studio-monitor-pc-4817.html 
each JBL lsr305, and a pair will cost RM 2300 which is equal to $540 usd. 
i know in amazon . usa is about $240-280 a pair. but after purchasing is there a hidden cost ? like additional tax etc? my country requires 30% extra tax for speakers and etc therefore $540 a pair =.='. i know is sad therefore i was looking for alternatives like Elac B6 and a receiver will come out the same cost ? but better sound quality since im already paying $540.

 

[Anthony Lo]

  when u mentioned "

For one, they're set up as a full-active system, with one amplifier channel driving each tweeter and woofer, and very likely with crossovers applied before the signal enters the amplifier output stage. " this is mentioning about JBL LSR305 right not the receiver, just to double confirm. for example when using a receiver + Elac B6 i have to connect my monitor hdmi to the receiver then to my motherboard right. will there be additional "latency" ? since if i use the JBL LSR305 is technically connection direct to my motherboard.
 
 
 
just worried that the cables im getting is bad and the sound quality will drop just because of the cables .
is $540 here in my country
http://vbizz.com/lsr305-5-two-way-powered-studio-monitor-pc-4817.html 
each JBL lsr305, and a pair will cost RM 2300 which is equal to $540 usd. 
i know in amazon . usa is about $240-280 a pair. but after purchasing is there a hidden cost ? like additional tax etc? my country requires 30% extra tax for speakers and etc therefore $540 a pair =.='. i know is sad therefore i was looking for alternatives like Elac B6 and a receiver will come out the same cost ? but better sound quality since im already paying $540.

 
About Elac B6, it don't have much review but 

Steve Guttenberg​

 from CNET highly recommend it. I also have interest about E5. For me if LSR305 is similar same price with E6 in your country, then I would go for E6 indeed. 

 

[Anthony Lo]

   
About Elac B6, it don't have much review but 

Steve Guttenberg​

 from CNET highly recommend it. I also have interest about E5. For me if LSR305 is similar same price with E6 in your country, then I would go for E6 indeed. 

One more think, this is what I have learn in these few days. What is your size of the room ? For me I am also looking for a new speakers for my working area. But I think I will choose JBL coz it is designed for near field monitor. But if you listen your music in living room, I think it would be better try Pioneer SP-BS22-LR or Elac B6 ~ 

 

[ProtegeManiac]

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when u mentioned "

For one, they're set up as a full-active system, with one amplifier channel driving each tweeter and woofer, and very likely with crossovers applied before the signal enters the amplifier output stage. " this is mentioning about JBL LSR305 right not the receiver, just to double confirm.

 

Yes. Pro monitors (and some home use powered speakers, like the Swans D200 and D1080) tend to use separate amplifier channels for each tweeter and midwoofer.

 

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for example when using a receiver + Elac B6 i have to connect my monitor hdmi to the receiver then to my motherboard right. will there be additional "latency" ? since if i use the JBL LSR305 is technically connection direct to my motherboard.

 

 

Well most people don't use the "direct connection to the motherboard" since they use a DAC-HPamp with a built in preamp (or a DAC with a headphone amp that has a preamp) or an audio interface which will put the physical volume knob on any such devices at arm's length. If you connect the LSR305 directly to the motherboard's Front speaker output, you have to set the gain on the active speakers, and then control the volume by hitting keys on your keyboard (if it has such - like the Shift/Windows key+up/down key method on laptop keyboards) or you scroll to the bottom right, hit the speaker icon, and then wait for the slider to show up before you can move it. 

I wouldn't really worry about latency. Not that it doesn't happen, it's just that they're such rare cases and there's no way to know if your mobo will have such an issue with a certain DAC, receiver, or interface unless someone else has the exact same equipment.

 

 

 

[danielhowk]

   
About Elac B6, it don't have much review but 

Steve Guttenberg​

 from CNET highly recommend it. I also have interest about E5. For me if LSR305 is similar same price with E6 in your country, then I would go for E6 indeed. 

 
 

 

 

Yes. Pro monitors (and some home use powered speakers, like the Swans D200 and D1080) tend to use separate amplifier channels for each tweeter and midwoofer.

 

 

Well most people don't use the "direct connection to the motherboard" since they use a DAC-HPamp with a built in preamp (or a DAC with a headphone amp that has a preamp) or an audio interface which will put the physical volume knob on any such devices at arm's length. If you connect the LSR305 directly to the motherboard's Front speaker output, you have to set the gain on the active speakers, and then control the volume by hitting keys on your keyboard (if it has such - like the Shift/Windows key+up/down key method on laptop keyboards) or you scroll to the bottom right, hit the speaker icon, and then wait for the slider to show up before you can move it. 

I wouldn't really worry about latency. Not that it doesn't happen, it's just that they're such rare cases and there's no way to know if your mobo will have such an issue with a certain DAC, receiver, or interface unless someone else has the exact same equipment.

 

 

i will try JBL LSR 305 on monday, it says to restock on monday so earliest is monday for me. it will come down either with JBL LSR 305 or Swan M200MKIII for now.
For Swan M200MKIII if i wanted a Subwoofer to go with it, i connect the Swan M200MKIII to a subwoofer then the subwoofer to my motherboard right ? which subwoofer would you recommend again ? my price should be about $150-180 a decent subwoofer, It would be dayton, but sadly i dont have Dayton here. Thanks again

 

[ProtegeManiac]

 
For Swan M200MKIII if i wanted a Subwoofer to go with it, i connect the Swan M200MKIII to a subwoofer then the subwoofer to my motherboard right ? 

 
If you're using the motherboard then there's no need to hook it up to the subwoofer. Powered subwoofers sometimes come with an analog pass-through, that way the signal from the preamp will pass through it first, then go into the active monitors; if the gain structure is set properly then your preamp will adjust the volume on both with no need to tweak the gain on either. This however is for those cases when all you have from the preamp is a two channel output - in your case, the motherboard has up to 5.1. If you hooked up the speakers to the subwoofer, the mobo subwoofer output only outputs in mono, if not also apply a low pass digital filter, so not only will you not get left-right signals on the Swans, you might get nothing but bass.
 
Don't compare them to computer speakers. Even if you hooked up a soundcard to the subwoofer on a Logitech for example, the reality there is that you aren't really hooking it up to the sub, but because in those kinds of speakers they built the amplifiers for all the satellites and the subwoofer into a single module on the subwoofe cabinet, that way you only hook up one power cable as opposed to one for the sub and one for the Swans (and two for the JBL).
 

 
which subwoofer would you recommend again ? my price should be about $150-180 a decent subwoofer, It would be dayton, but sadly i dont have Dayton here. Thanks again

 
Try Infinity or JBL, it might be the same distro since they're all under Harman, although not necessarily all the time (ie over here JBL's car audio and pro audio products are under different distributors).

 

[danielhowk]

   
If you're using the motherboard then there's no need to hook it up to the subwoofer. Powered subwoofers sometimes come with an analog pass-through, that way the signal from the preamp will pass through it first, then go into the active monitors; if the gain structure is set properly then your preamp will adjust the volume on both with no need to tweak the gain on either. This however is for those cases when all you have from the preamp is a two channel output - in your case, the motherboard has up to 5.1. If you hooked up the speakers to the subwoofer, the mobo subwoofer output only outputs in mono, if not also apply a low pass digital filter, so not only will you not get left-right signals on the Swans, you might get nothing but bass.
 
Don't compare them to computer speakers. Even if you hooked up a soundcard to the subwoofer on a Logitech for example, the reality there is that you aren't really hooking it up to the sub, but because in those kinds of speakers they built the amplifiers for all the satellites and the subwoofer into a single module on the subwoofe cabinet, that way you only hook up one power cable as opposed to one for the sub and one for the Swans (and two for the JBL).
 
 
Try Infinity or JBL, it might be the same distro since they're all under Harman, although not necessarily all the time (ie over here JBL's car audio and pro audio products are under different distributors).

im sorry but this is my first time getting good speakers and possibly trying to learn the audiophile way. but im completely clueless on what the connection you meant. my fault im too noobie . is there a guide i could read up ? or any explanation where i can learn more detail into what your connection mean. ill try jbl and infinity in 3 days time where they restock hopefully they have. im thinking of buying a Dayton subwoofer and shipping it back but they weight about 15kg thats alot of shipping cost trying to find more alternatives way. xD
i can try this speakers as well http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/mackie-mr5mk2-2-way-reference-monitor
http://www.fluidaudio.net/products/fader-series/fx8
those 2 as good as JbBL LSR305 , is about the same price here

 

[ProtegeManiac]

Originally Posted by danielhowk /img/forum/go_quote.gif

im sorry but this is my first time getting good speakers and possibly trying to learn the audiophile way. but im completely clueless on what the connection you meant. my fault im too noobie . is there a guide i could read up ? or any explanation where i can learn more detail into what your connection mean. ill try jbl and infinity in 3 days time where they restock hopefully they have.

 

If you're using the motherboard then there's no need to hook it up to the subwoofer...in your case, the motherboard has up to 5.1. If you hooked up the speakers to the subwoofer, the mobo subwoofer output only outputs in mono, if not also apply a low pass digital filter, so not only will you not get left-right signals on the Swans, you might get nothing but bass.

 

 

 

 

Don't compare them to computer speakers. Even if you hooked up a soundcard to the subwoofer on a Logitech for example, the reality there is that you aren't really hooking it up to the sub, but because in those kinds of speakers they built the amplifiers for all the satellites and the subwoofer into a single module on the subwoofe cabinet, that way you only hook up one power cable as opposed to one for the sub and one for the Swans (and two for the JBL).

 

 

 

 

Powered subwoofers sometimes come with an analog pass-through, that way the signal from the preamp will pass through it first, then go into the active monitors; if the gain structure is set properly then your preamp will adjust the volume on both with no need to tweak the gain on either. This however is for those cases when all you have from the preamp is a two channel output...

 

 

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Originally Posted by danielhowk /img/forum/go_quote.gif

ill try jbl and infinity in 3 days time where they restock hopefully they have. im thinking of buying a Dayton subwoofer and shipping it back but they weight about 15kg thats alot of shipping cost trying to find more alternatives way. 

 

One thing I wasn't able to include in the last diagram is balanced outputs. If you are sending a balanced output from an interface to your monitors, it would be best if it can simultaneously send out a preamp signal from its unbalanced output, going into the sub. However if you invest in a pro-audio sub that won't be a problem as you can run balanced the whole way.

 

[danielhowk]

 

 

If you're using the motherboard then there's no need to hook it up to the subwoofer...in your case, the motherboard has up to 5.1. If you hooked up the speakers to the subwoofer, the mobo subwoofer output only outputs in mono, if not also apply a low pass digital filter, so not only will you not get left-right signals on the Swans, you might get nothing but bass.

 

 

 

 

Don't compare them to computer speakers. Even if you hooked up a soundcard to the subwoofer on a Logitech for example, the reality there is that you aren't really hooking it up to the sub, but because in those kinds of speakers they built the amplifiers for all the satellites and the subwoofer into a single module on the subwoofe cabinet, that way you only hook up one power cable as opposed to one for the sub and one for the Swans (and two for the JBL).

 

 

 

 

Powered subwoofers sometimes come with an analog pass-through, that way the signal from the preamp will pass through it first, then go into the active monitors; if the gain structure is set properly then your preamp will adjust the volume on both with no need to tweak the gain on either. This however is for those cases when all you have from the preamp is a two channel output...

 

 

 

One thing I wasn't able to include in the last diagram is balanced outputs. If you are sending a balanced output from an interface to your monitors, it would be best if it can simultaneously send out a preamp signal from its unbalanced output, going into the sub. However if you invest in a pro-audio sub that won't be a problem as you can run balanced the whole way.

I tried Adam F5 today, wow it sounded awesome, going to try JBL LSR305 tomorrow. by the way if i bought Elac B6 , i need an amplifier right ? so a pair of B6 + amp. i have 3 monitors running on my desktop how would the connection be ? from 3 monitors simultaneously , to amp , to speakers , to desktop ? or does it only work with 1 monitor like a tv to receiver to speakers?

 

[ProtegeManiac]

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I tried Adam F5 today, wow it sounded awesome, going to try JBL LSR305 tomorrow.

 

Share your notes, I have a friend looking for monitors too so if the F5 is a lot better I'd tell him not to order the LSR305 just yet and see if he can audition both.

 

 

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by the way if i bought Elac B6 , i need an amplifier right ? so a pair of B6 + amp.

 

Yes.

 

 

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i have 3 monitors running on my desktop how would the connection be ? from 3 monitors simultaneously , to amp , to speakers , to desktop ? or does it only work with 1 monitor like a tv to receiver to speakers?

 

Wait....by "three monitors" you mean you have three displays running off your graphics card/s? They don't factor into the equation - for starters if you used HDMI instead of DVI or display port don't graphics cards have a lower resolution or refresh rate limits on HDMI? And even if you did the only thing you can hook them up to if you're sending sound out through HDMI is an A/V receiver with HDMI1.3 and up for inputs, and most of them can't feed a line signal let alone a preamp signal to powered speakers.

 

You're supposed to hook up the monitors' amplifier inputs to the soundcard's audio output, or the audio output on the motherboard. If you use a separate DAC-HPamp with preamp output, or an audio interface, you hook these up via USB (refer to the diagram above with a Scarlett interface) or SPDIF, and then analog cables from there to the monitors.

 

[danielhowk]

 

 

Share your notes, I have a friend looking for monitors too so if the F5 is a lot better I'd tell him not to order the LSR305 just yet and see if he can audition both.

 

i will once i hear the jbl lsr305 for comparison, but this is my very frst time listening to such great speakers, my review would not be as accurate as a audiophile.
 
 

 

Wait....by "three monitors" you mean you have three displays running off your graphics card/s? They don't factor into the equation - for starters if you used HDMI instead of DVI or display port don't graphics cards have a lower resolution or refresh rate limits on HDMI? And even if you did the only thing you can hook them up to if you're sending sound out through HDMI is an A/V receiver with HDMI1.3 and up for inputs, and most of them can't feed a line signal let alone a preamp signal to powered speakers.

 

You're supposed to hook up the monitors' amplifier inputs to the soundcard's audio output, or the audio output on the motherboard. If you use a separate DAC-HPamp with preamp output, or an audio interface, you hook these up via USB (refer to the diagram above with a Scarlett interface) or SPDIF, and then analog cables from there to the monitors.

 
something like that image. 1 is my main monitor to game. my 2nd monitor on Youtube or TwitchTv, my 3rd is usually to read forms etc. my connections currently DisplayPort x 3 HDMI x 1 Dual-link DVI-I x 1 are from msi lightning 980ti. My main monitor is using Displayport, and my 2nd and 3rd are using HDMI, they are all connected directly from my monitors to Graphic card.
so if i buy the B6 + Amp is it possible to have 3 display on with sound ? because 3 of my monitor could produce sound from my speaker (m50w which connect directly to my motherboard sound area). or do i need to buy something additional for it to work ?