LH Labs Geek Out v2+ Discussion Thread
Jul 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM Post #106 of 2,040
Wait...did you actually ask if they could make a... "Can you guys make a trs (mono) 3.5 mm to micro usb digital cable. That would do the trick."
 
 
Their response, "That would be a very hard cable to find" was actually a pretty kind response. That cable would be quite impossible to find
 
You're asking them to have a cable convert an Analog-to-USB Digital signal. That's what a DAC does.
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 11:03 AM Post #107 of 2,040
  Please provide a link for a USB Micro Male to USB Micro Male OTG cable, if you would be so kind. It's something of a moot point for my intended use however, since it has to be an Android/lollipop device.

 
See: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XYy1FuzDUeUFBGX05GTjU2UWc/edit  <--- This is DanBa's Google Drive list of USB OTG-Cables available for purchase. It comes from this thread. 
 
And it doesn't have to be an Android Lollipop device. Many, many non-Lollipop devices are USB-OTG capable. That's also covered in the thread I linked. 
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 11:27 AM Post #108 of 2,040
  Wait...did you actually ask if they could make a... "Can you guys make a trs (mono) 3.5 mm to micro usb digital cable. That would do the trick."
 
 
Their response, "That would be a very hard cable to find" was actually a pretty kind response. That cable would be quite impossible to find
 
You're asking them to have a cable convert an Analog-to-USB Digital signal. That's what a DAC does.

X5 puts out a digital signal via a trs mono 3.5mm plug, teminating at a coax digital to dap. Where did you get the idea I was trying to output an analog signal? If it's analog already, I certainly don't need a DAC.
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 11:29 AM Post #109 of 2,040
   
See: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XYy1FuzDUeUFBGX05GTjU2UWc/edit  <--- This is DanBa's Google Drive list of USB OTG-Cables available for purchase. It comes from this thread. 
 
And it doesn't have to be an Android Lollipop device. Many, many non-Lollipop devices are USB-OTG capable. That's also covered in the thread I linked. 

If you read the email exchange then you know that LH labs said themselves that only ios 6 and lillipop support this functionality.
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 11:32 AM Post #110 of 2,040
  If you read the email exchange then you know that LH labs said themselves that only ios 6 and lillipop support this functionality.

 
If you read the thread that I posted (at all) you'd also see that that's clearly not the case. 
 
Also, here's your USB Micro B to Micro B OTG Cable. http://www.ttvjaudio.com/TTVJ_Micro_USB_to_Micro_USB_Portable_Cable_p/aat0000200.htm%22  It's designed for the TTVJ Apex Glacier, which is a very similar use case to the V2/V2+. 
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 11:34 AM Post #111 of 2,040
  X5 puts out a digital signal via a trs mono 3.5mm plug, teminating at a coax digital to dap. Where did you get the idea I was trying to output an analog signal? If it's analog already, I certainly don't need a DAC.

 
You're using the X5's Coaxial/SPDIF output signal then. You're not looking for a 3.5 mm TRS plug - you're looking for a SPDIF to USB converter. Those also exist, but not in any sort of easily portable form factor. (See: The Gustard U12, Melodious, Ciunas Converter, Off Ramp 5, Audiobyte Hydra X, Peachtree T1/X1, ad infinitum.) 
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 11:58 AM Post #112 of 2,040
   
You're using the X5's Coaxial/SPDIF output signal then. You're not looking for a 3.5 mm TRS plug - you're looking for a SPDIF to USB converter. Those also exist, but not in any sort of easily portable form factor. (See: The Gustard U12, Melodious, Ciunas Converter, Off Ramp 5, Audiobyte Hydra X, Peachtree T1/X1, ad infinitum.) 

Of course it's a coax out, I can't get a digital signal from a line out. The point is that one end is a 3.5mm trs plug, carrying a digital signal. It is a stupid design to only have one way to input a digital signal into a DAC. They couldn't do a coax in, or a combo coax optical? Are you saying that you can output a digital signal via a trs plug but you couldn't input same via a trs input?
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 12:11 PM Post #113 of 2,040
  Of course it's a coax out, I can't get a digital signal from a line out. The point is that one end is a 3.5mm trs plug, carrying a digital signal. It is a stupid design to only have one way to input a digital signal into a DAC. They couldn't do a coax in, or a combo coax optical? Are you saying that you can output a digital signal via a trs plug but you couldn't input same via a trs input?

 
It's a 3.5mm port but it's not a TRS. Look at your adapter (http://www.head-fi.org/t/742780/help-needed-connecting-fiio-x5-to-stereo#post_11055056). TRS means Tip-Ring-Sleeve, which is for carrying analog stereo signals. Notice that your Coaxial adapter only has one band on it that doesn't line up with the standard two bands of a TRS plug? (http://cdn.head-fi.org/4/40/4049c115_1000x500px-1402b29f_trs.jpg)
 
That's not a TRS plug. You can't carry a digital signal by way of a TRS plug. 
 
You should have checked to see if the V2/V2+ had an optical input (or any input other than USB) before you bought the device. Which is dumber: designing a device with only one way of inputting a digital signal or buying a device that you're not sure can carry the digital signal that you plan on using? 
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 12:18 PM Post #114 of 2,040
   
It's a 3.5mm port but it's not a TRS. Look at your adapter (http://www.head-fi.org/t/742780/help-needed-connecting-fiio-x5-to-stereo#post_11055056). TRS means Tip-Ring-Sleeve, which is for carrying analog stereo signals. Notice that your Coaxial adapter only has one band on it that doesn't line up with the standard two bands of a TRS plug? (http://cdn.head-fi.org/4/40/4049c115_1000x500px-1402b29f_trs.jpg)
 
That's not a TRS plug. You can't carry a digital signal by way of a TRS plug.
 
You should have checked to see if the V2/V2+ had an optical input (or any input other than USB) before you bought the device. Which is dumber: designing a device with only one way of inputting a digital signal or buying a device that you're not sure can carry the digital signal that you plan on using?

and the gloves are off!!! lol :p
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 12:23 PM Post #115 of 2,040
   
It's a 3.5mm port but it's not a TRS. Look at your adapter (http://www.head-fi.org/t/742780/help-needed-connecting-fiio-x5-to-stereo#post_11055056). TRS means Tip-Ring-Sleeve, which is for carrying analog stereo signals. Notice that your Coaxial adapter only has one band on it that doesn't line up with the standard two bands of a TRS plug? (http://cdn.head-fi.org/4/40/4049c115_1000x500px-1402b29f_trs.jpg)
 
That's not a TRS plug. You can't carry a digital signal by way of a TRS plug. 
 
You should have checked to see if the V2/V2+ had an optical input (or any input other than USB) before you bought the device. Which is dumber: designing a device with only one way of inputting a digital signal or buying a device that you're not sure can carry the digital signal that you plan on using? 

Cosider me suitably chastened your highness. I shall not darken your door again.
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 1:46 PM Post #116 of 2,040
Here's the scoop on Micro to Micro USB OTG cables from Gina of LH Labs... Guess they didn't anticipate anyone wanting to utilize the V2+ for streaming music sites from their smartphones... I truly am having a hard time fathoming that.. anyhow...
 
Hi Joseph,
 
We currently are not providing the micro B to B Male USB OTG cable. This may change in the future if we get more of a demand for these cables. Gina
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 2:13 PM Post #117 of 2,040
  Here's the scoop on Micro to Micro USB OTG cables from Gina of LH Labs... Guess they didn't anticipate anyone wanting to utilize the V2+ for streaming music sites from their smartphones... I truly am having a hard time fathoming that.. anyhow...
 
Hi Joseph,
 
We currently are not providing the micro B to B Male USB OTG cable. This may change in the future if we get more of a demand for these cables. Gina

Unbelieveable. 
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM Post #118 of 2,040
  Here's the scoop on Micro to Micro USB OTG cables from Gina of LH Labs... Guess they didn't anticipate anyone wanting to utilize the V2+ for streaming music sites from their smartphones... I truly am having a hard time fathoming that.. anyhow...
 
Hi Joseph,
 
We currently are not providing the micro B to B Male USB OTG cable. This may change in the future if we get more of a demand for these cables. Gina

 
I think they probably need to communicate with their Customer Service people a little more closely. Check out 42 seconds in. There's a Note 4 connected to a V2+ via USB-OTG. 
 

 
The short OTG cable w/ Hologram looks like a LH-designed cable. Which would make sense because of the list of cables on their Indiegogo page for the V2/V2+: 
 

 
It would be pretty strange to create a price list for OTG cables, including both a Micro B to B and Micro B to Male A cable, and not make them available. Especially because using the V2+ with an Android/iOS smartphone seems like the primary case use for the device. The V2+ is what became of the original Geek Stream campaign (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geek-stream-a-battery-powered-usb-headphone-amplifier-dac#/story) which is a DAC/Amp designed specifically for the purpose of connecting to a smartphone to provide an improved audio experience. 
 
Before catastrophizing, I'd probably wait for Larry, Gavin, or Casey to come into the thread and clarify. My guess is that there has been a communications breakdown somewhere along the way. This wouldn't surprise me - historically LH has sucked at this. 
 
Jul 6, 2015 at 3:29 PM Post #119 of 2,040
any thoughts on if this baby would do the trick ?

 You could chance this one at $40 and pray it works.
 

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