Knowledge Zenith (KZ) impressions thread
Nov 13, 2018 at 1:46 PM Post #37,966 of 63,916
I would like to know the answer to this too... I just bought KZ AS10 and some EDR at the Global store prices were a bit cheaper.
Not feeling very positive after reading this: http://community.anker.com/t/anker-global-store-vs-anker-official-store-on-aliexpress/61997

Any experiences from people who bought from the Global store?

BTW: My first post although have been reading a lot. Hi everyone.
Don't worry too much about it though. A good reference for the shop quality is the overall average score on AliExpress. I tend to skip shops with less than 95 percent satisfaction. However: don't worry, you will likely not get fakes or faulties.
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 1:47 PM Post #37,967 of 63,916
The review of the Phonograph on the ZSN is so strange. Giving it a 9,1 and then saying it sounds almost totally like the KZ ES4 which is just a mediocre KZ in my books. Hope it WILL be a step up.

I sounds very different from the ES4. Don't worry about it. Others have said it sounds nigh identical to ZST which is also bullocks.
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 3:48 PM Post #37,968 of 63,916
Wow, got a correct KZ cable for my ZS5’s today and man does it sound sweet. Its like I’m standing among the musicians as they perform each song .....very cool.
I’m finally getting some TRN V80’s I ordered last month from AliExpress....due friday, they are harsh at first? Sibilance? Does taming it with Complys work?
I forgot how much fun this hobby can be!!
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 3:56 PM Post #37,969 of 63,916
KZ is makes good IEM's for sure... Have several of them.
But as time goes by they have up-ed their prices... And it's not as cheap Chi-Fi as it was. Look at the AS10....havent bought it but than again.... The big bang for buck... Yes it's still there... But lesser than it was...who cares about a premium box?
Let's not talk about AB-10 again 15 bucks more expansive.
Personally.... I have scrapped the of the list of Cheap Chi-Fi



**rant over**
 
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Nov 13, 2018 at 5:05 PM Post #37,970 of 63,916
KZ is makes good IEM's for sure... Have several of them.
But as time goes by they have up-ed their prices... And it's not as cheap Chi-Fi as it was. Look at the AS10....havent bought it but than again.... The big bang for buck... Yes it's still there... But lesser than it was...who cares about a premium box?
Let's not talk about AB-10 again 15 bucks more expansive.
Personally.... I have scrapped the of the list of Cheap Chi-Fi



**rant over**

The KZ BA10 is in fact a KZ and ALL KZ's can and will be discussed on this thread.

If the BA10, AS10 or ZS10 are outside of your budget then feel free to experience one of the many KZ models available. 90% of them are $20 or less. This list isn't exhaustive but here you go.

B9's blog - The Contraptionist (required reading for the unintiated)!
https://thecontraptionist.blog/category/knowledge-zenith/

EDR1 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/knowledge-zenith-edr1-in-ear-monitor.22987/
EDR2 - https://www.amazon.com/review/RWFUWN0QH5ZP1
ED3 "Perfection" - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/knowledge-zenith-ed3-perfection.22988/
ED3 "Acme" - XXX
ED4 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/knowledge-zenith-ed4.21296/reviews
ED7 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/knowledge-zenith-ed7-in-ear-monitor.23035/reviews
ED8 - XXX
ED9 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/kz-ed9-tunning-nozzles-in-ear-headphones.20807/
ED10 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/knowledge-zenith-ed10.22990/
ED15 - XXX
ED16 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/kz-ed16.23179/
ES3 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/knowledge-zenith-es3.22976/
ES4 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/kz-es4.23181/reviews
HDS3 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/knowledge-zenith-hds3.23017/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/B01EJHLOPE/R7E4KEB1RJ88Y?ref=pf_ov_at_pdctrvw_srp
ATR - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/knowledge-zenith-atr-in-ear-monitor.23032/reviews
ATE - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/kz-ate-in-ear-monitors.21174/
HDS1 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/bi...ic-pronunciation-ear-headphones-silver.21143/
ZSA - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/kz-zsa.23180/reviews#review-20770
ZST - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/kz-zst.22435/
ZSR - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/kz-zsr.22905/
ZS3 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/kz...et-bass-earbuds-with-microphone.21763/reviews
ZS5 - https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/knowledge-zenith-zs5.22479/
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 5:21 PM Post #37,971 of 63,916
The KZ BA10 is in fact a KZ and ALL KZ's can and will be discussed on this thread.

If the BA10, AS10 or ZS10 are outside of your budget then feel free to experience one of the many KZ models available. 90% of them are $20 or less. This list isn't exhaustive but here you go.

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BA10 is still, imo, probably the best sounding KZ out there, only hampered by it's wack shell. That's regardless of whether or not it's signature lines up with personal preferences, of which mine has me preferring the sonically inferior AS10 (dat bass dough). Opinion supported as I spent a fair bit of time a/bing them with the Tenhz P4 Pro while finishing up that review today. To my ears, the BA10 is the more refined and mature sounding product, even if it isn't as well balanced which not everyone wants anyway.
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 5:51 PM Post #37,972 of 63,916
measured dc resistance (mΩ) of ZSN stock cable (with mic). copper color.
L:395 R:1013 LGnd:401 RGnd:647
except Right measurement, it's the most conductive cable from KZ stock ones.
i wonder about 0.6Ω difference between left and right. bad solder?
will measure other units when they arrive.
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 6:08 PM Post #37,973 of 63,916
I would like to know the answer to this too, your post came up when I searched in google. Have read all posts after yours didn't find a reply... I just bought KZ AS10 and some EDR at the Global store prices were a bit cheaper.
Not feeling very positive after reading this: http://community.anker.com/t/anker-global-store-vs-anker-official-store-on-aliexpress/61997

Any experiences from people who bought from the Global store?

BTW: My first post although have been reading a lot. Hi everyone.

Hello friend, welcome to the rabbit hole :)

I have purchased from both and both are excellent IMO. Both get the product shipped out ASAP almost everytime.
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 6:34 PM Post #37,974 of 63,916
BA10 is still, imo, probably the best sounding KZ out there, only hampered by it's wack shell. That's regardless of whether or not it's signature lines up with personal preferences, of which mine has me preferring the sonically inferior AS10 (dat bass dough). Opinion supported as I spent a fair bit of time a/bing them with the Tenhz P4 Pro while finishing up that review today. To my ears, the BA10 is the more refined and mature sounding product, even if it isn't as well balanced which not everyone wants anyway.

Have to get my hands on an AS10!

If it's more entertaining than the BA10 then it's well worth the FULL asking price.

Looking forward to your P4 Pro review as well.
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 6:41 PM Post #37,975 of 63,916
Here's KZ ZSN Diffuse Field Compensation using miniDSP EARS.


No no, I said they look identical up to 16k according to the FR graphs posted by thephonograph. I have never heard either in person, and FR graphs do not tell the whole story!


Completely different. ZSN is a "new" zst but ES4 have a sound totally different ( no or little sub bass, big mid bass)

@antdroid i think your graph matches what I hear more closely with a peak at around 11khz.

Never liked the reviews from Phonograph as they seem to contradict themselves constantly.
 
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Nov 13, 2018 at 7:29 PM Post #37,976 of 63,916
measured dc resistance (mΩ) of ZSN stock cable (with mic). copper color.
L:395 R:1013 LGnd:401 RGnd:647
except Right measurement, it's the most conductive cable from KZ stock ones.
What do you mean, "it's the most conductive cable from KZ stock ones."

Does that mean its better, equal to, or the only company doing cables as good as KZ?
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 7:31 PM Post #37,977 of 63,916
Have to get my hands on an AS10!

If it's more entertaining than the BA10 then it's well worth the FULL asking price.

Looking forward to your P4 Pro review as well.

Imo the BA10 is just a more refined, balanced AS10. I love the AS10's low end though. Think KZ did a really good job tuning that BA.

P4 Pro review now up if you want to take a gander: Head-fi / The Contraptionist
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 7:39 PM Post #37,978 of 63,916
@antdroid i think your graph matches what I hear more closely with a peak at around 11khz.

Never liked the reviews from Phonograph as they seem to contradict themselves constantly.

FYI the graph from Phonograph is "raw" and the one I posted was compensated.

Here is a raw L/R graph of KZ ZSN

KZN ZSN LR FR RAW.jpg
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 7:47 PM Post #37,979 of 63,916
My take on the KZs I have (or had), in decreasing order of preference:

AS10: formidable in almost everything. I wish the shell was finished better or had different materials in order to better translate the intrinsic qualities of this all-BA IEMs. Fast snappy lively bass, great resolving mids, silky but present highs, an imaging that is somewhat in-your-face presentation but, with some concentration, it gets easy to focus. The most "different" KZ of them all, with a truly new sound signature. Not very source-demanding, but sounds better with good DAPs/AMPs.

ZS5v1: big soundstage, great presentation, gets congested easily with weaker sources but scales up incredibly well with good amps and DAPs. Great textures on the bass - it's about quality here - but has enough sub-bass to enjoy too. The mids need power to excite, and when they do, male voices come alive. Treble is best tamed with foam tips to avoid sibilance.

ZS4: snappy happy strong fun bass with a great range and reduced bleed on other frequencies. As a result, the mids, although recessed, are present and very resolving. Treble needs foam tips as it is sometimes piercing. Fit, comfort and isolation are top-notch.

ATE: it's still up here with the big brothers. The old ATE (first version) has such a personality that it is not easy to forget. It is "human" in its flaws and qualities. The female voices are rendered with the right timbre. Bass is always present, although for some tracks it gets messy. Treble is rolled off but still there, still making it's point. The "analogic" nature of the ATE is something I still value. The cable is rubbery and sticky.

ZS3: not every ZS3, but the first version, mate finish, without the foam in the nozzle, with stainless steel grilles, with copper KZ cable and with the perfect silicone large tips from Rock Zyrcon. This is the only way they will sound great, although V-shaped. Strong, thumping bass. Shy mids. In-your-face treble. Great soundstage. Great comfort. Great isolation. Some fun to carry around. Original cable is bad. They need low impedance source with lots of power. Don't even think of connecting it to the KZ BT modules. They will become turds.

IE80: the wildcard. Very well built imitations of the Senns. The bass rocker really works and raises low frequencies by some small notches when turned clockwise. Easily congested with louder music, but very "elegant" with less stressed environments. Mids are crystal clear. Original cable had inverted poles - had to buy a third-party Sennheiser-plug cable. Fit is a mess, only possible with foam tips or with shallow insertion wide silicones. I really like the IE80, but they are not for everyone.

ZST: I wish I could love them more. Never really had the chance to profit from their signature. Everytime I listened to them I had the feeling of missing something. Maybe it was because I never liked the faux-carbon printing on the shells. Maybe they never got along with my FiiO X3II. But then I painted them shells black and use them with the KZ BT cable and they are a lot of fun.

ED9: (with the golden nozzles, obviously) are great. A heavy chunk of metal, beatifully finished and with a great relaxed sound signature. Not as "magic" as the ATE, but still with that "analogic" lushness. A very good implementation of a single dynamic driver indeed.

ZS3: later version, Slater-modded to remove the foam and grille. Even with the mods - which indeed made them slightly better, they don't stand a chance to the older ZS3. More V-shaped, slightly hollow presentation.

ZSE: forward mids. Good soundstage. Easily congested treble. OK bass. Bad isolation. Cable microphonics - a lot. Nice vintage mid-80's looks though!

EDR2: well built until the back grille falls off. Great textured bass. Sticky cable. A great and fun signature and cheap enough to be a great introduction gift to those who don't know the brand. Price/performance, these rule!

EDSE: like the EDR2, almost the same sound signature but with more intrusive bass that makes them sound less defined.

ED7: (large shell) woodies goodies, with a one-note bass. They are detailed in the mids, if you can ear them... I always look at them and think about that silky wooden sound, but then I put my VJJB or DZAT and easily forget the ED7 exist. They are not bad at all, but will not get lots of use...

ATR: dull. Gave them away. Linear? No. Dull.

HDS1: very small, a problem to get them to stay in my large ears. Had to wear them upside down with cable behind the ear. Weird sound signature. Mids too upfront. Bass with low texture. Wife wears them at the gym with Sansa player. Not my favourite microdriver...

ED12: the worst of them all. Hollow annoying mids that covered the whole spectrum. Very badly built. Mine had the colour codes inverted, with red to the left and blue? (it was purple...) to the right. Shell cover was not fixed well. Had to glue it down with a dab of epoxy. Awfull experience in every aspect.

So true about the ZS3.

This was its downfall. When underpowered it doesn’t sound good. On the Bluetooth cable, don’t even try.

But feed it massive power from an amp, along with the foam mod, and it’s really not as bad as people make it out to be.
 
Nov 13, 2018 at 7:58 PM Post #37,980 of 63,916
KZ is makes good IEM's for sure... Have several of them.
But as time goes by they have up-ed their prices... And it's not as cheap Chi-Fi as it was. Look at the AS10....havent bought it but than again.... The big bang for buck... Yes it's still there... But lesser than it was...who cares about a premium box?
Let's not talk about AB-10 again 15 bucks more expansive.
Personally.... I have scrapped the of the list of Cheap Chi-Fi



**rant over**

U forgot kz zsn for less than $20. And it's not like they only produce as10, ba10 and zs10 that cost more than their other offerings.
 
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