My advise would be to first invest in an amp. The DAC in a tablet or a phone is usually pretty good as in they did blind tests and nobody could pick out a realtek chipset DAC vs a much higher priced model when passed to the same amp and headphones. To make it even better all the test subjects were musicians or audio engineers so they knew what they were looking for and still couldnt reliably find it.
What sux is pretty much every phone and tablet is the amp. they are not designed to do more than minimally power the headphones since they are first and foremost concerned with prolonging battery life. A true headphone amp will really help power headphones to their full potential and will help you hear more details and a fuller sound. I too have the Sph9500 and they do scale well with a good amp so I can tell you that you will notice the difference here. The little Topping NX series is probably your best bet for new under $50 but I would watch for a good used one here in the classifieds as you'll get more for your dollar.
The S5 is $20 and will likely be $15 on sale on 11/11/2017 from one of the Chinese sellers, So no - nothing else exists in the sub $20 range that will touch the S5 except maybe the K9s also made by Benjie if it just happens to be on a better sale. (Same sound, different body).
I have the S5 and a K9 and I think both are great for starters.
oh, welcome to head-fi. Sorry about your wallet.
Thank You So Much!
I was really worried I needed to dish out around $100+ for a DAC. I thought a good DAC helped more than Amp, I've even lurked in DAC Vs Amp threads as well.
Now basically I'm thinking I should just get the S5 during 11/11. But do u think I should start with the Topping NX? I'm a complete beginner so thanks a lot for the great informative comment ^^
Also do u like you're Sph9500? My personal opinion so far is, it's very good, but needs a slight bass kick for the music I listen to normally (Edms, rap and pop). They are slightly on the bright side as well, and I don't even know how much I believe in burn in. People say they become tame after use.... I've seen a lot of mods going around, do u think they are worth the risk tho? Tbh I love my pair and I thought they were gonna be over hyped
PS: lol I realized I'll spend a lot now, but at least I'm not wasting money on brand name like I did with beats haha
I'd get one of the Benjie players and a Zishan Z1 you may not like the no screen of the Zishan interface but the sound quality is a clear step up from Benjie and you can always use it as a DAC or portable amp. You can probably get both for about $50 which leaves room for another interesting pair of earphones (do you have a Monk+ yet?)
Thank you for helping a beginner out ^^
Tbh I don't care about screens. The audio quality matters the most at this stage for me. So the Z1 > S5 in terms of sound? I'll deff get a pair then. Should I wait till 11/11 like the S5 for sale?
Also nope, I don't have the monks
I couldn't find the original ones and apparently the Monk + are considerably worse... Do u recommend the new Monk +? Or should I just search and get the older monks for now? Thanks again
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/time-rethink-beats-solo2-excellent
I know the S5 is well respected, so I'd venture a guess that at the stated price range improvements may not be huge, plus I don't know how availability of gear is in Australia. Many people like the Fiio M3 at that range, but I ended up running into some issues with file type support, but that may not be the case for you. My preference was the xDuoo X2, but not having heard the S5 I cannot say anything about whether it's an improvement. The xDuoo X3 has dropped a bit lately and is currently in your range, and it's one I personally loved quite a bit for the price.
As far as a Dac/Amp setup for that price, I'm having a hard time thinking of options. For a little more there's the new Fiio Q1 mk ii which seems promising, and early reports seem quite pleased with it.
Thanks for the informative reply ^^
I hear Fiio is good, and was eyeing them for some time. I figured I'd start with something basic and move up tbh. I can get a Fiio Killmanjaro, but I'm thinking of buying a S5 or Z1 instead. That way I can put the money saved on better pair of ear buds. Now I'll look into m3 prices and see how that goes, thanks
I would tend to think that finding a way to accomplish a stable output impedance would be a solid first step, especially for things with wild impedance variances (ZS5v1 as an example). Coupling capacitors also have a serious risk of messing with the ZS5v1's bass response, as per data from
@hakuzen:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/kno...essions-thread.698148/page-1553#post-13777918
As to how to attack that problem... depends what you really want out of your setups, I suppose.
- If a DAP suits your purposes, obviously a purpose built device is great for its purpose, but output impedance (and caps) can be a concern on some
- Voltage divider based attenuators - require plenty of volume headroom, but nothing to charge, some battery drain - iFi Ear Buddy / IEMatch or DIY
- DAC - potential compatibility issues with Android, battery drain can vary quite a bit, most can't be used while charging typically
- Amp - double amping concerns - clipping, noise floor, crosstalk, etc, but typically relatively manageable, also another battery to charge
- DAC/Amp - benefits of both, fewer restrictions in how it's used, but usually more to carry around and another battery to charge
And unless carefully picked for the task, many of those options will also prevent the use of an in-line mic and controls. Or at least I've not seen much in the budget sector with support for such things?
Personally I've picked up an iFi Ear Buddy and a Fiio Q1 on that front and I'm quite happy with both, but honestly going from random impedance sources to the Ear Buddy had a much bigger impact for me than going from the Ear Buddy to the Fiio Q1 when I feel like carrying it around. But that's just my picks based on my personal use cases and preferences.
Wow thanks for bringing up stuff I never considered 0.0
I don't even know how much I fully understood your amazing response but what I get is:
1: Some might not be compatible with Android
2: Might disable in line mic
3: more stuff to charge
Now I have no problem no2 and 3, but non compatible DAC sounds scary. I'll make sure I do my research then ^^
I'm not also exactly sure what output impedance is, but what I'm taking away here is: What I need depends on what I want. I basically want a better audio experience and I'm not sure if DAC or amp helps me more. Others mentioned amps are gonna help more so I guess I'll focus on that. And I'll primarily use my phone, cuz I can stream my music via Spotify premium and etc, I don't have too many flac files on me tho
Thanks for the reply