Taowolf51
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I'm futzing with the Rastapants 2 mod trying to reign the bass in, and make them more forward, any tips?
In case anyone needs to know the internal cup volume minus the driver extension into the cup volume:
I poured salt into an empty cup up to the top of the rubber shock absorbers. I poured that amount of salt into a pill bottle from the pharmacy that is a perfect cylinder and calculated the cup volume at 59.04 cubic centimeters. The driver "extends" into this space ~ 3.5x3.5x0.2 cm or 2.45 cubic centimeters. This estimates the internal cup volume with the baffle/driver attached = 56.6 cubic centimeters.
This estimate of internal cup volume assumes the baffle compartments have been flush filled with Newplast or plasticine.
How does the sound improve with the cup filled with salt? A bit grainy?
Here's my quick story on getting two pairs of t50rps and doing some mods. Grabbed two pairs, modded the first according to DBV #3 on http://www.head-fi.org/t/618659/fostex-t50rp-incremental-mods-and-measurements. Listened to the unmodded vs the modded for a while.
Stock:
Sounds somewhat decent. It has that nice Ortho signature, but the bass is very sloppy and the whole thing sounds a bit underwater. Listening to an electronic track with buzzy bass really shows the problem. The jagged bass noise (I assume caused by a sawtooth style wave) gets all mushed together and looses all its texture.
Modded DBV #3 (Followed directions here, above point 56: http://www.head-fi.org/t/618659/fostex-t50rp-incremental-mods-and-measurements):
I made these following the directions above. I poked 9 holes in the stiff felt, used the treble reflector, modelling clay on the baffles, silverstone/felt in cups/silverstone ladder rungs, fiberglass/rolled cotton, shure pads.
These were A/B'd with the stock t50rp's blind and level matched. The DBV #3 was clearly better. The efficiency was much worse on the DBV #3s, as expected. On the stock T50RPs, it was easy to drive them pretty loud using a laptop, but I found them too soft without an amp after modding (especially when trying to EQ, songs with high dynamic range, etc). The DBV #3s were not without problems to my ears. I have very young ears and can still hear the anti-teenage-loitering devices around the city piercingly loud. "Bright" headphones do not meld well with my ears. I found the DBV #3s (made exactly as described with treble reflector/rolled cotton/fiberglass) to be too harsh up top, not enough bass. I think an older person might think they are perfect though. There is a slight chance I didn't measure the weight of the damping material properly. Will come back to this...
Modded DBV #3 version 2 (Followed directions here, above point 56: http://www.head-fi.org/t/618659/fostex-t50rp-incremental-mods-and-measurements):
(Made the same as above, except I am 100% sure the damping material is weighed properly, and there is no treble reflector.)
I took the second pair, and also did the DBV #3 modification on them, this time without treble reflector, and definitely the right amount of damping material. They sound great! I once again got a friend to do a blind A/B test. I could clearly pick out the pair without the treble reflector, and it was much better. Bass was fuller and tighter and the symbols/high end wasn't so splashy and harsh.
Next step is to take my DBV #3 version 1, and turn it into the version 2 as well.
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I tried these through my:
Laptop - A bit quiet, sound quality is decent (no hiss like on IEMs). Wasn't very satisfying being able to turn it up all the way on some quiet parts of songs.
Phone - Same as the laptop, but even quieter.
Cheapo Amps - FiiO E3/Cmoy amp - Even the E7 made the phone and laptop tolerable volumes. That would be my barebones setup if I only had $110.00 to spend on headphones + amp.
ODAC -> Fiio E9 - Tons of power. Would need to do more blind testing to see if I actually tell a difference between these.
ODAC -> O2 - Just soldered this together on Saturday. Once again sounds great. Gain of 2.5x is loud enough for all but the quietest of recordings. More blind testing needed to see if I can tell the difference between the FiiO E9 and O2 with these phones.
I compared these to my JH16s and LCD-3s. They definitely have cleaner sound than the JH16s, bass is a lot less muddy. More airy than the JH16s. JH16s have more bass (but only when put though a low output impedance amp like the O2!).
LCD-3s: The LCD-3s are for sure better, but it's not huge. I would say they are 80% of the LCD-3s. They are less airy, more closed in, not as clear and creamy, but they have the same general sound signature. I would say the LCD-3s are a bit darker? The T50RPs are much lighter and more comfortable. Surprisingly, the LCD-3s need much less power, and are more efficient. Wasn't expecting that.
Sennheiser 595s: Totally different headphone. 595 is the soundstage king (IMO), but lacks so much of the texture/low end of the orthos. Hard to compare them. They both have their place.
Hope this helps someone!
Can the drivers be degraded after too many time tweaking? Now my T50rp sound really bad.
Can the drivers be degraded after too many time tweaking? Now my T50rp sound really bad.