[iamdacow]

  If the JH13 are so good and not even near expensive compared to inferior headphones (HD800 with its thin and dry sound, totally different from the realistic tonality of this IEM), then why most people keep buying HD800's only to be disappointed with them? It's popularity or what?
 
I mean, the JH13 sounds good on any decent DAP (iPhones for example), and the few who heard it compares it with other TOTL high-end headphones like the SR-007 mk1, not including HD800 here. Clearly they are that good! and then just a few talks about them, meanwhile the HD800 thread has at least 100 post daily.
 
You only see praising and praising for this IEM from their few owners, saying that they love them even out from an iPhone, and other people are complaining about the HD800 dryness and they try to fix that with mega-buck amps to even be satisfied. I just lol'd at that.
 
Can someone figure this out?, it's been a long time since i want to find a logic for that. Thanks

If i may provide my 2 cents to this. As someone who owns the both the jh13 (pre freqphase)  and the hd800, there are a multitude of reasons why people are disappointed with the hd800, like you said, it sounds rather thin and dry (unemotional, cold, analytical) which is true when you compare it to other headphones in the same price bracket (adueze, audio technica, beyerdynamic ect) however there are other reasons as well such as:
1) Unrealistic expectations (the posts on head fi and reviews do tend to paint the hd800 in quite a different light at times, overhype)
2) Sound signature preference (simply put, you either like it or you dont, applies every piece of audio equipment, not everyone can appreciate the colder sound of the hd800)
3) The biggest issue is that the hd800 is picky about the kind of setup one has, whilst its not the most power hungry out there, it does require a good amount of power and a proper audio chain to sound good, however you dont need a $2000 amp with a $1000 dac to enjoy the hd800
 
The jh13 does sound good on any decent dap, i used my iphone as a DAP at one point and they still sounded good. However i do think that in terms of technical performance, the hd800 is a step ahead of the jh13 because of the way it was tuned but the jh13 does have a better toe tapping factor, that being said, the jh13 is no slouch either. To be honest, i like both my hd800 and jh13 equally and would not part with either. Anyway i just sent my jh13 to upgrade to the feqphase model, im curious to see how much freqphase improves on the jh13.

 

[LouisLoh]

  If i may provide my 2 cents to this. As someone who owns the both the jh13 (pre freqphase)  and the hd800, there are a multitude of reasons why people are disappointed with the hd800, like you said, it sounds rather thin and dry (unemotional, cold, analytical) which is true when you compare it to other headphones in the same price bracket (adueze, audio technica, beyerdynamic ect) however there are other reasons as well such as:
1) Unrealistic expectations (the posts on head fi and reviews do tend to paint the hd800 in quite a different light at times, overhype)
2) Sound signature preference (simply put, you either like it or you dont, applies every piece of audio equipment, not everyone can appreciate the colder sound of the hd800)
3) The biggest issue is that the hd800 is picky about the kind of setup one has, whilst its not the most power hungry out there, it does require a good amount of power and a proper audio chain to sound good, however you dont need a $2000 amp with a $1000 dac to enjoy the hd800
 
The jh13 does sound good on any decent dap, i used my iphone as a DAP at one point and they still sounded good. However i do think that in terms of technical performance, the hd800 is a step ahead of the jh13 because of the way it was tuned but the jh13 does have a better toe tapping factor, that being said, the jh13 is no slouch either. To be honest, i like both my hd800 and jh13 equally and would not part with either. Anyway i just sent my jh13 to upgrade to the feqphase model, im curious to see how much freqphase improves on the jh13.

How can we do that? To upgrade to a freqphase model, and how much does it cost?

 

[iamdacow]

 
How can we do that? To upgrade to a freqphase model, and how much does it cost?

Under the repairs form on their website, indicate that you wish to upgrade to the new jh13 freqphase model. Send them your jh13s. They quoted me $350 for the upgrade. 

 

[goodvibes]

I think it should be known that it doesn't include a remold. This option won't help buyers of used units. Drivers haven't changed between models so this is a wavegiude, extra bore (I think) and x-over update, which they can do by pulling the cap.

 

[iamdacow]

  I think it should be known that it doesn't include a remold. This option won't help buyers of used units. Drivers haven't changed between models so this is a wavegiude, extra bore (I think) and x-over update, which they can do by pulling the cap.

The X-over is updated? I thot it remains the same

 

[goodvibes]

Jerry even said he had to change some values due to getting more reinforcement at the crossover points and the amount of phase shift correction can't be accounted for by .5" of available group delay adjustment..

 

[Silverprout]

  Jerry even said he had to change some values due to getting more reinforcement at the crossover points and the amount of phase shift correction can't be accounted for by .5" of available group delay adjustment..

Adjust phase shift and group delay.
Wow... it's a really great designer.

 

[goodvibes]

It's actually more important on the 13s than the Angies or Laylas because of the less steep crossover slopes and greater overlap.

 

[gearofwar]

Does anyone here have exp with aftermarket cable? especially for JH13FP? I'm currently looking the cable that brings out the best from JH13.

 

[wolfen68]

  Does anyone here have exp with aftermarket cable? especially for JH13FP? I'm currently looking the cable that brings out the best from JH13.

Moon Audio Silver Dragon IEM rocks over stock with the original JH13. 

 

[Audio Addict]

Does anyone here have exp with aftermarket cable? especially for JH13FP? I'm currently looking the cable that brings out the best from JH13.

There are a lot of aftermarket cab!es for them. I have the DHC symbiote and Whiplash TWAG v3 and it is basically a toss up. I ended up using the TWAG with them and the Symbiote on a pair of Westones.

 

[gearofwar]

There are a lot of aftermarket cab!es for them. I have the DHC symbiote and Whiplash TWAG v3 and it is basically a toss up. I ended up using the TWAG with them and the Symbiote on a pair of Westones.

How is SQ on those cables? is there any significant improvement? the only cable i ever had after stock is Litz from headphonelounge, I never got a chance to try out the others, don't know if i should upgrade

 

[jagu]

For me it was an easy decision, the stock cable was broken. I received my Hybrid IEM cable from Forza Audioworks last week, great build! There's a Forza thread here at Head-Fi and I uploaded a pic of the cable there. Check it out!

I just tapatalked!

 

[Audio Addict]

  How is SQ on those cables? is there any significant improvement? the only cable i ever had after stock is Litz from headphonelounge, I never got a chance to try out the others, don't know if i should upgrade

 
To me a lot will have to do with your overall system.  If you are using with your phone, I would have a difficult time recommending a $300 cable.  If you are using it with an AK240, that would be another discussion.  
 
Generally, I have found the extension are better along with the instrument separations and  increased soundstage depth.

 

[gearofwar]

   
To me a lot will have to do with your overall system.  If you are using with your phone, I would have a difficult time recommending a $300 cable.  If you are using it with an AK240, that would be another discussion.  
 
Generally, I have found the extension are better along with the instrument separations and  increased soundstage depth.

I'm currently using it with ZX2