[chesebert]

Yeah those recordings sound absolutely excellent, very nice and natural with tonnes of detail, texture and width and height. It's just that depthwise it never comes forward.

Well it's weird... I can hear the spatial cues telling me it sounds as if it's forward, it's just when I try to figure out how far forward it is, I realise that it's actually still back near my ears. If that makes any sense... with the ZMF Atrium, some things literally sound like they're coming from ~7cm in front of the line between my ears (with non-binarual, like Billie Eilish Happier Than Ever album for example.)

I know what you are talking about. I could be wrong but I feel it's a function of not quiet resolving dac/amp and susvara being essentially 2 open air diaphragms on both sides of your ears. You can try to wear the cans down and forward a bit but that's how they sound. Same things with all the HEK variants. Even though you may not get 6in in front of your head but a couple of inches should still be possible. I wish HFM would create angled driver placements.

To be completely honest, the first track on my HE6se is like 6in out in front of me in some parts, especially when the rest of the orchestra joined in. Cadenza portion is like a couple of inches from me.

Play track one from this. Are you able to hear a few inches of soundstage in front of you?

 

[Henrim]

I know what you are talking about. I could be wrong but I feel it's a function of not quiet resolving dac/amp and susvara being essentially 2 open air diaphragms on both sides of your ears. You can try to wear the cans down and forward a bit but that's how they sound. Same things with all the HEK variants. Even though you may not get 6in in front of your head but a couple of inches should still be possible. I wish HFM would create angled driver placements.

To be completely honest, the first track on my HE6se is like 6in out in front of me in some parts, especially when the rest of the orchestra joined in. Cadenza portion is like a couple of inches from me.

Play track one from this. Are you able to hear a few inches of soundstage in front of you?

Still pretty Damn close in... but I finally realised what the problem might be. The pads are the Dekoni non perforated leather ones, they came with them when I boguht them secondhand a few days ago. I've found several reports in this thread saying they close the sound stage down a bit.

Also, to answer your previous question, I tried them in the shop with stock pads and TT2 a while back and was very impressed by the soundstage (albeit before I owned the ZMF Atrium too).

 

[goldwerger]

Still pretty Damn close in... but I finally realised what the problem might be. The pads are the Dekoni non perforated leather ones, they came with them when I boguht them secondhand a few days ago. I've found several reports in this thread saying they close the sound stage down a bit.

Also, to answer your previous question, I tried them in the shop with stock pads and TT2 a while back and was very impressed by the soundstage (albeit before I owned the ZMF Atrium too).

Pads in all headphones have big impact (depending on your personal HRTF), definiltey try and swap

 

[chesebert]

Still pretty Damn close in... but I finally realised what the problem might be. The pads are the Dekoni non perforated leather ones, they came with them when I boguht them secondhand a few days ago. I've found several reports in this thread saying they close the sound stage down a bit.

Also, to answer your previous question, I tried them in the shop with stock pads and TT2 a while back and was very impressed by the soundstage (albeit before I owned the ZMF Atrium too).

I would use the stock pads - at least it is very slightly angled.

 

[Aeolus Kratos]

It's shootout time, Hifiman Susvara vs the new born Stax SR-X9000 and its brother SR-009S

 

[Godbluffer]

Any examples of especially deep non-binaural recordings?

For me, I was expecting more depth variation on these classical albums which seem very well recorded in every other way

Here’s one of the deepest sounding non-binaural recordings I know of:

 

[gonzalo1004es]

Stock pads and Dekoni’s ones are so thin that in combination with Susvara’s super refined transducers tend to create a marked left and right feeling, with not much depth. Moving to ZMF Auteur hybrid solid pads makes a huge difference, in my opinion an improvement in every regard, and soundstage gains depth, it becomes less left and right and more in-front-of-you, speaker-like perspective.

 

[OCC7N]

Stock pads and Dekoni’s ones are so thin that in combination with Susvara’s super refined transducers tend to create a marked left and right feeling, with not much depth. Moving to ZMF Auteur hybrid solid pads makes a huge difference, in my opinion an improvement in every regard, and soundstage gains depth, it becomes less left and right and more in-front-of-you, speaker-like perspective.

Lets hope Dekoni takes notes, because it is not the first time I hear about the ZMF and Susvara.

 

[Henrim]

Stock pads and Dekoni’s ones are so thin that in combination with Susvara’s super refined transducers tend to create a marked left and right feeling, with not much depth. Moving to ZMF Auteur hybrid solid pads makes a huge difference, in my opinion an improvement in every regard, and soundstage gains depth, it becomes less left and right and more in-front-of-you, speaker-like perspective.

How do you attached the pad to the headphone? I have a huge stack of ZMF pads.

 

[migo]

How do you attached the pad to the headphone? I have a huge stack of ZMF pads.

You need plastics adapter/ring for Susvara to use ZMF pads.

 

[gonzalo1004es]

How do you attached the pad to the headphone? I have a huge stack of ZMF pads.

You just need the round He-6 like Hifiman ring.

 

[essentiale]

Any suggestions to what preamp I could try with moon 430ha? Tried TT2 earlier but didn’t make any difference.

Is the 430HA sufficient to power the susvara on its own? I’m keen to get the susvara but my current set up is just a Yggdrasil and 430HA as the amp

 

[OneEyedHito]

Is the 430HA sufficient to power the susvara on its own? I’m keen to get the susvara but my current set up is just a Yggdrasil and 430HA as the amp

I haven’t tried the 430HA but it’s mentioned several times in this thread. Give it a quick search for 430HA “in this thread” and should give you a quick read!!

https://www.head-fi.org/search/12136879/?q=430HA&t=post&c[thread]=853031&o=date

 

[BillinSF]

Any examples of especially deep non-binaural recordings?

For me, I was expecting more depth variation on these classical albums which seem very well recorded in every other way

Henrim. Over the past several years, Columbia Music produced a bunch of one microphone recordings, live in studio. Just google "1 Mic 1 Take" and they all pop up. The Gregory Porter song I posted earlier is my fave, but there are many.

 

[OCC7N]

Is the 430HA sufficient to power the susvara on its own? I’m keen to get the susvara but my current set up is just a Yggdrasil and 430HA as the amp

You need the same amp as this system. Sorry. Check the description of the video.




Your 430H is more than enough. Since the Zahl HM1 has been accepted as the reference point of power(2W)