Jan 11, 2019 at 9:11 PM Post #4,141 of 70,107
Nice visual.

That guy annoys me though. He says it's a "metallic" case, but is it metal or not? Come on, bruh. By the sound & look, seems like plastic. And it's like, dude, stop moving the damn thing around so I can flippin' see what the hell it is you're trying to show me.

Maybe I'm just bitter about his MTW vs. MW07 comparison, where he says "the Momentum take things further, offering bigger, bolder bass, smoother midrange sound, a wider stereo image, and better overall instrumental definition". Wider stereo image and better overall instrumental definition? What?! The MW07, virtually objectively, have a wider soundstage and better "instrumental definition". I guess Master & dynamic didn't pay them enough.

Well said. Sennheiser deserves praise for delivering a solid above-average product and the best all around TW to date. But to say the sound quality - and particularly soundstage - bests the MW07 is nonsense. I could understand someone preferring the sound signature of the MTW to MW07 but no way on soundstage, imaging etc.
 
Jan 11, 2019 at 11:48 PM Post #4,143 of 70,107
Sabbat Magic Banquet X12 Pro - it is modification Sabbat X12 Pro?
http://www.52audio.com/archives/6752.html

that is the old version. this is the comparison of the new and old version that i gave to my son:

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new one has USB C, and battery indicator.also slightly bigger

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the charging prong also now slightly more distant from each other, so using the old unit inside the new case simpli won't charge (and vice versa)

I don't think I'm losing it, I heard the M2 after adding the Spinfit cp100 silicone tips and I felt like they greatly improved the sound.

This most recent update has made my M2 feel like they've had a complete driver upgrade. The clarity and instrument separation has improved a silly amount. I find the signature similar to the MTW now just a little darker, and with a narrower soundstage.

Anybody else noticed this after the update?

aptX / Cp100 / S8+

the M2 is indeed sensitive to tips change. i have varying sound when using spinfits, sony, jvc, etc. the only limiting factor is that it can't use tips thst too long because of the tight room on the case. i wish all TWS just use standard iem tips, unlike the Jabra, Mifo, and some other that uses small notched tips.

I've just did the update (almost took 2 goshdarn hours, but at least i can use it while it's updating), doesn't hear any major changes in sound
 
Jan 12, 2019 at 12:26 AM Post #4,144 of 70,107
The updates on my E8 weren't faster. I remember one taking well over half an hour.

Any release notes or anything on this new update? Curious what it's for.

I’ve emailed them asking for release notes.

My E8 updates took about 15-20 minutes
 
Jan 12, 2019 at 12:34 AM Post #4,145 of 70,107
Ordered my MW07 from ebay earlier today, ended up getting them for a touch over $110. Super excited to try them out, may end up returning the Jabra Active 65t if I like the MW07 more (although the Jabra's have more features and better battery life)
 
Jan 12, 2019 at 4:08 AM Post #4,146 of 70,107
The new M2 fw has extended the battery life. Before I got just over 3 hours on a charge but with the new I get just under 4 hours. Also at the master/slave swap at around 50% battery the music now automatically resumes after the swap.
 
Jan 12, 2019 at 5:58 AM Post #4,148 of 70,107
I emailed Comply support to inquire if there were any plans to offer Comply foam tips for the Jabra Elite 65t in any other sizes and unfortunately they replied no.

Comply Support response excerpt:
"Unfortunately, the tips provided during our testing didn't pass the test for compatibility due to users having the tips fall off of the device.
These tips are very unique, and we do not plan to release different size tips for it."

bummer...

To add to this, I asked the following question on the product page:

01/08/19
Q: What's the difference between this and the generic Comply Truly Wireless Replacement Earphone Tips? They seem to have identical product photos and the same item model number 25-10111-11. That is, is there anything different about this that makes it specific to the Jabra Elite 65t and Elite Active 65t?​

This was their reply:

01/08/19
A: Thanks for your question! They are the same tip, just marketed to the Jabra Elite 65t customers. Please email us if you have any additional questions!​

They also don’t display this answer on the product page. Bummer indeed. I’ll update my report.
 
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Jan 12, 2019 at 7:42 AM Post #4,149 of 70,107
I went trying TWEs this afternoon for a short hour. I had a chance to try the SP700Ns, the SP900Ns, the WF1000Xs, the EaRIN M2s, the Mavin Air-Xs, and the Kong-Xs. I wanted to try more but ran short on time. Here is a rundown of my thoughts on each.

I loved the SP700Ns very much again, and found them really well extended and comfortable. The separation was there, the bass detail was nice and impactful, and the mids were still quite clear. This is still one of my favorite TWEs out there. The different modes are useful, but the buttons are annoying to get to, and the audio lag is pretty severe, which is the reason I am hesitant about them. I really wish they were more responsive.

I tried the SP900Ns next, and found the mids nice, but the rest really seemed rolled off. One thing is that they didn't get very loud, but the bass extension and treble extension was definitely lacking. I cycled through the different modes, and it didn't seem to offer ANC on the settings of the demo unit. You could only activate and deactivate transparency, not that it made much of a difference having ANC on other true wireless units. The button placement was amazing though, and the buttons were really good. I also thought the case was great, and even though they were the same style as the other Sony TWEs, they felt much better. They were also the only ones that didn't have a huge amount of sound delay. Too bad the SQ just didn't feel that good.

Next, I tried their father, the WF1000X. They were very comfortable, and had a very nice and balanced sound, with nice separation. I still preferred the SP700Ns sound-sig, but these were nice. The ANC and transparency mode both seemed ever so slightly better than the SP700Ns, so I think they probably have better mics. They were also smaller, so they fit more comfortably, and had the same nice buttons as the SP900Ns. They also had quite a bit of lag, which was unfortunate, The same kind as the SP700Ns.

After, I tried the EARINs. I didn't like them very much. They sounded veiled and muddy. The sound profile even seemed to change between pauses. This was a demo unit, so I am not sure that update they had, if any, but I wasn't a fan of the sound, or the fit.

I then tried the Mavins, and I was not expecting much, but was very pleasantly surprised. They had the easiest pairing method of the bunch, the best case, a nice fit, and sounded very nice. The bass felt just right, and the highs were decent too. Best of all, the mids sounded super clear and detailed. Well, they didn't have all the detail I am used to on my ER4s, but they were very detailed just the same. They had no audio lag as well. I feel like I would have snatched them up here and there had they offered transparency mode. Sure, I can just take off an earbud when someone is talking, but sometimes I need to be aware if someone wants to talk to me.

Finally, I tried the Kong-Xs. They are a hybrid BA-DD TWE, and they sounded the best in the bunch. They were really loud at 10% volume, so I kept it below 7. The bass was like the SP700Ns, but with really clear mids and nice highs. They sounded very nice. The plastic used to make them though wasn't great, and they did end up being huge, which I didn't like...The case is also way too big to be practical.

So, in the end, my two favorite were the SP700Ns and the Mavin Air-Xs. I am not sure I am ready to pull the trigger, as they just don't have everything I need yet. I need less lag on the SP700Ns or transparency mode on the Mavins.

I think though that at this point, technology will render a lot of TOTL models useless in a few generations, so I am not sure I want to spend too much on a pair. I was surprised that the Mavin's could compete with some pairs worth twice its price, thanks in part to it's new chip, and I think it is just a matter of time before the chips get better and leave this current generation of TWEs in the dust.
 
Jan 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Post #4,150 of 70,107
I'm not sure tech is gonna advance that rapidly. But if it does, that'd be awesome and I'll be there for it!

I will say try and get hold of the e8 if you can. If you're like me and got a set that sounded right, they're damn near the best all-rounders in my opinion, even above the Jabras. I'm just the kind of picky person that needs "the best sounding" even if it means sacrificing other features.
 
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Jan 12, 2019 at 8:57 AM Post #4,151 of 70,107
I'm not sure tech is gonna advance that rapidly. But if it does, that'd be awesome and I'll be there for it!

I will say try and get hold of the e8 if you can. If you're like me and got a set that sounded right, they're damn near the best all-rounders in my opinion, even above the Jabras. I'm just the kind of picky person that needs "the best sounding" even if it means sacrificing other features.
Ah, no. You don't hear the peak? Maybe you are ok with the treble peak, but not I. I prefer the Jabra tonally, and it does all I need for when I'm using for exercising (when I don't listen critically). I'm done with TW for a long time as really don't expect more than being functional with the one I prefer to behave listenable tonally.
 
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Jan 12, 2019 at 9:35 AM Post #4,152 of 70,107
I went trying TWEs this afternoon for a short hour. I had a chance to try the SP700Ns, the SP900Ns, the WF1000Xs, the EaRIN M2s, the Mavin Air-Xs, and the Kong-Xs. I wanted to try more but ran short on time. Here is a rundown of my thoughts on each.

I loved the SP700Ns very much again, and found them really well extended and comfortable. The separation was there, the bass detail was nice and impactful, and the mids were still quite clear. This is still one of my favorite TWEs out there. The different modes are useful, but the buttons are annoying to get to, and the audio lag is pretty severe, which is the reason I am hesitant about them. I really wish they were more responsive.

I tried the SP900Ns next, and found the mids nice, but the rest really seemed rolled off. One thing is that they didn't get very loud, but the bass extension and treble extension was definitely lacking. I cycled through the different modes, and it didn't seem to offer ANC on the settings of the demo unit. You could only activate and deactivate transparency, not that it made much of a difference having ANC on other true wireless units. The button placement was amazing though, and the buttons were really good. I also thought the case was great, and even though they were the same style as the other Sony TWEs, they felt much better. They were also the only ones that didn't have a huge amount of sound delay. Too bad the SQ just didn't feel that good.

Next, I tried their father, the WF1000X. They were very comfortable, and had a very nice and balanced sound, with nice separation. I still preferred the SP700Ns sound-sig, but these were nice. The ANC and transparency mode both seemed ever so slightly better than the SP700Ns, so I think they probably have better mics. They were also smaller, so they fit more comfortably, and had the same nice buttons as the SP900Ns. They also had quite a bit of lag, which was unfortunate, The same kind as the SP700Ns.

After, I tried the EARINs. I didn't like them very much. They sounded veiled and muddy. The sound profile even seemed to change between pauses. This was a demo unit, so I am not sure that update they had, if any, but I wasn't a fan of the sound, or the fit.

I then tried the Mavins, and I was not expecting much, but was very pleasantly surprised. They had the easiest pairing method of the bunch, the best case, a nice fit, and sounded very nice. The bass felt just right, and the highs were decent too. Best of all, the mids sounded super clear and detailed. Well, they didn't have all the detail I am used to on my ER4s, but they were very detailed just the same. They had no audio lag as well. I feel like I would have snatched them up here and there had they offered transparency mode. Sure, I can just take off an earbud when someone is talking, but sometimes I need to be aware if someone wants to talk to me.

Finally, I tried the Kong-Xs. They are a hybrid BA-DD TWE, and they sounded the best in the bunch. They were really loud at 10% volume, so I kept it below 7. The bass was like the SP700Ns, but with really clear mids and nice highs. They sounded very nice. The plastic used to make them though wasn't great, and they did end up being huge, which I didn't like...The case is also way too big to be practical.

So, in the end, my two favorite were the SP700Ns and the Mavin Air-Xs. I am not sure I am ready to pull the trigger, as they just don't have everything I need yet. I need less lag on the SP700Ns or transparency mode on the Mavins.

I think though that at this point, technology will render a lot of TOTL models useless in a few generations, so I am not sure I want to spend too much on a pair. I was surprised that the Mavin's could compete with some pairs worth twice its price, thanks in part to it's new chip, and I think it is just a matter of time before the chips get better and leave this current generation of TWEs in the dust.

isn't the Kong-X the one that can be converted into wired iem? what's the price on those?
 
Jan 12, 2019 at 9:59 AM Post #4,153 of 70,107
I went trying TWEs this afternoon for a short hour. I had a chance to try the SP700Ns, the SP900Ns, the WF1000Xs, the EaRIN M2s, the Mavin Air-Xs, and the Kong-Xs. I wanted to try more but ran short on time. Here is a rundown of my thoughts on each.

I loved the SP700Ns very much again, and found them really well extended and comfortable. The separation was there, the bass detail was nice and impactful, and the mids were still quite clear. This is still one of my favorite TWEs out there. The different modes are useful, but the buttons are annoying to get to, and the audio lag is pretty severe, which is the reason I am hesitant about them. I really wish they were more responsive.

I tried the SP900Ns next, and found the mids nice, but the rest really seemed rolled off. One thing is that they didn't get very loud, but the bass extension and treble extension was definitely lacking. I cycled through the different modes, and it didn't seem to offer ANC on the settings of the demo unit. You could only activate and deactivate transparency, not that it made much of a difference having ANC on other true wireless units. The button placement was amazing though, and the buttons were really good. I also thought the case was great, and even though they were the same style as the other Sony TWEs, they felt much better. They were also the only ones that didn't have a huge amount of sound delay. Too bad the SQ just didn't feel that good.

Next, I tried their father, the WF1000X. They were very comfortable, and had a very nice and balanced sound, with nice separation. I still preferred the SP700Ns sound-sig, but these were nice. The ANC and transparency mode both seemed ever so slightly better than the SP700Ns, so I think they probably have better mics. They were also smaller, so they fit more comfortably, and had the same nice buttons as the SP900Ns. They also had quite a bit of lag, which was unfortunate, The same kind as the SP700Ns.

After, I tried the EARINs. I didn't like them very much. They sounded veiled and muddy. The sound profile even seemed to change between pauses. This was a demo unit, so I am not sure that update they had, if any, but I wasn't a fan of the sound, or the fit.

I then tried the Mavins, and I was not expecting much, but was very pleasantly surprised. They had the easiest pairing method of the bunch, the best case, a nice fit, and sounded very nice. The bass felt just right, and the highs were decent too. Best of all, the mids sounded super clear and detailed. Well, they didn't have all the detail I am used to on my ER4s, but they were very detailed just the same. They had no audio lag as well. I feel like I would have snatched them up here and there had they offered transparency mode. Sure, I can just take off an earbud when someone is talking, but sometimes I need to be aware if someone wants to talk to me.

Finally, I tried the Kong-Xs. They are a hybrid BA-DD TWE, and they sounded the best in the bunch. They were really loud at 10% volume, so I kept it below 7. The bass was like the SP700Ns, but with really clear mids and nice highs. They sounded very nice. The plastic used to make them though wasn't great, and they did end up being huge, which I didn't like...The case is also way too big to be practical.

So, in the end, my two favorite were the SP700Ns and the Mavin Air-Xs. I am not sure I am ready to pull the trigger, as they just don't have everything I need yet. I need less lag on the SP700Ns or transparency mode on the Mavins.

I think though that at this point, technology will render a lot of TOTL models useless in a few generations, so I am not sure I want to spend too much on a pair. I was surprised that the Mavin's could compete with some pairs worth twice its price, thanks in part to it's new chip, and I think it is just a matter of time before the chips get better and leave this current generation of TWEs in the dust.

Nice comparison and lucky you to be able to find a place where you can check out all these TWEs, I have yet to see one myself !
As a WF-1000x owner I can't disagree with your findings about the SQ and the really annoying lag. At the end of the day I do tend to go to the 65ts for convenience though.
 
Jan 12, 2019 at 12:33 PM Post #4,154 of 70,107
I tried the SP900Ns next... Too bad the SQ just didn't feel that good.

Thx a lot for the write up! A shame about the SP900N's I was really looking forward to those as I'm a fan of the Sony sound sig.
 
Jan 12, 2019 at 12:39 PM Post #4,155 of 70,107
Ah yes, forgot to write that Sony did not implement ANC on the SP900, easy to understand why ;-)
 

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