Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

[chinmie]

Where does it say ipx7 for the x12? The store page I used said ipx5, and I didn't see anything about waterproofing in the manual, so I wouldn't dare to submerge it.

you're right, it does indeed says ipx5, i mixed up with the mifo

 

[chinmie]

Sounds like you overpaid for your X12 then

Since you have both and I know you liked the WF1000x SQ, how would you compare its SQ with the M2's SQ ?

no, i paid regular around 35 dollars for the Sabbat. the earin just happened to be that deal of a lifetime that won't come twice, and it's a brand new unit at that,

the WF1000X just clicked when i first heard it, i like the overall presentation so much that i wonder if there's a wired equivalent that matches it overall staging and sound so i can buy it too.
with the M2 i need a bit of tip rolling because it's a bit sensitive to positioning and i don't like the stock foam tips. but once i settled, i really like it's balanced presentation.

both have different sound, but I'd say they are equal in SQ

 

[BigZ12]

Once again, (now it's an issue everytime) I listened to some music yesterday evening and then put the MTWs in the case at about 70%. Took them out a little while later, and both were 100%. Listened a little bit again, then put them in the case for the night. (without the USB-C cable).
When I woke up, the left bud is at 87% while the right is 100%... it's like when the buds are in the case over a longer period, the left uses power without being recharged? This happens only when it's not connected to a power source through the USB-C. (and yes, there's power left in the case)

 

[alchemical]

Once again, (now it's an issue everytime) I listened to some music yesterday evening and then put the MTWs in the case at about 70%. Took them out a little while later, and both were 100%. Listened a little bit again, then put them in the case for the night. (without the USB-C cable).
When I woke up, the left bud is at 87% while the right is 100%... it's like when the buds are in the case over a longer period, the left uses power without being recharged? This happens only when it's not connected to a power source through the USB-C. (and yes, there's power left in the case)

Same behaviour as mine sadly. I really want to replace rather than get a refund, but concerned I’ll just encounter the same issue. I keep finding the case drained when I’ve barely used the buds, and the left bud never tops up to 100% unless connected to USB. Any MTW owners have a pair that don’t exhibit the faults we’ve experienced?

 

[happytoon]

Just a quick feedback on Sennheiser Momentum True Wireless --- AMAZING.
I am using these for about 4 weeks now, A great set!

Pro:
- Out of the box, they sound better than my old wired Shure 235. great bass (not overpowering) and plenty of details and sound presence (can "position" sound in space easily).
- Above all, absolutely NO LATENCY when watching movies. I have connected these to my phone (Android Oreo), an Android tablet (Oreo), my Blue-ray player, a Samsung TV etc the lip-sync is absolutely spot on... What a pleasure to use (compare to my previous old BT set which had a few ms delays)!
- BT is solid, I never had any disconnection with any devices paired (so long I stay within 5m range). NFLI great, no disconnection between L/R earbuds either!
- Noise isolation and comfort are also great (I prefer foam, so use the Symbio W ear tips, fit in the case, no problem, the earbuds "clasp" magnetically when put in the case).
- Battery life, enough for my use, Movie, Music, etc (I watched a full movie last night (Infinity War - 2hr30), no worries, plenty of battery left when putting them back in the case.

Con:
- I am still not sure on the battery management. On a couple of occasions, I fully charged the buds overnight, use them once, then back in the case. The following day they were completely empty (as if still "on" in the case for all that time!). I also experience different between L/R, Right being master and also depends on how many use/touch command used between L/R. (I use the Left one more for play/pause, skipping track etc).

A brilliant set of earbuds.

 

[RobinFood]

The Havit G1 has no app at all. The app for both M2 and Beoplay E8 just programs the behavior of the buds and handles fw updates, it’s not needed for normal operation, that is all done via the controls on the buds

Thanks. Does it remember the settings you set in if you use the app to set them and change device?

Does that means that with the M2 I could use the touch function to put it in transparency mode, listen to what my wife is asking me, and get out of transparency mode to block off the sound of the tv after, without the app?

 

[nc8000]

Thanks. Does it remember the settings you set in if you use the app to set them and change device?

Does that means that with the M2 I could use the touch function to put it in transparency mode, listen to what my wife is asking me, and get out of transparency mode to block off the sound of the tv after, without the app?

I assume the settings would be kept between devices but don’t know as I only use them with one device.

Yes you just tap on the bud and it goes into ambient/transparency and then tap again and it goes back to music. The app is not needed for normal operation. I generally only open the app every few weeks to check if there is fw updates or if I want to tweak the stored parameters

 

[RobinFood]

I assume the settings would be kept between devices but don’t know as I only use them with one device.

Yes you just tap on the bud and it goes into ambient/transparency and then tap again and it goes back to music. The app is not needed for normal operation. I generally only open the app every few weeks to check if there is fw updates or if I want to tweak the stored parameters

That's fantastic. Looks like I will go audition it this weekend at the earphone store.

 

[chinmie]

Thanks. Does it remember the settings you set in if you use the app to set them and change device?

Does that means that with the M2 I could use the touch function to put it in transparency mode, listen to what my wife is asking me, and get out of transparency mode to block off the sound of the tv after, without the app?

you need the app to toggle the transparency mode behaviour: off, on, or auto (off when music playing, on when you stop the music). there's currently no way of toggling from the unit itself. you could do like nc8000 suggested by putting it in auto mode, then you can use the touch button to pause the music (and automatically turning on the transparency mode)

 

[jfvny]

You might want to consider Sleepbuds from Bose I think? Shame that we can't load our own music, but it's an interesting product specifically for this.

Did consider that, but at that price and without the ability to play music...

i do. the most comfortable and flush profile are the sabbat and earin. the mifo is also flush, but still feel the pressure if i put my ear down on the pillow.

Thanks! Was kinda hoping the Sabbat was good for this as its longer battery life really helps, so this is great.

I do with the Earin M2, coulden’t with the Havit G1 nor the Beoplay E8

Wow another +1 for the Earins. I'm definitely regretting having missed the deal on these now

 

[kiwikozo]

I haven't had any connection drops with the Earin M2 after a solid week of use even with 96978695x resolutioners running around the gym.

The connection on the M2 is stronger than the RHA True Connect which has Bluetooth 5.0.

I turn transparency mode off since I don't put earphones in to listen to other people. The only issue is sometimes people can't see I have them in my ears since they're so compact.

 

[RobinFood]

I haven't had any connection drops with the Earin M2 after a solid week of use even with 96978695x resolutioners running around the gym.

The connection on the M2 is stronger than the RHA True Connect which has Bluetooth 5.0.

I turn transparency mode off since I don't put earphones in to listen to other people. The only issue is sometimes people can't see I have them in my ears since they're so compact.

Oh wow, I hadn't noticed that the deal was done...to think that I almost bought them Monday, but wanted to preview them first over the weekend. At full price though they definitely look less appealing compared to the competition...not much of a stretch to get the MW07s instead...

 

[god-bluff]

I'm struggling to accept that this was written by a person. No one, no one, who cares about customer satisfaction would ever suggest that returning items is a bad thing. It's not even bad for business. At all.

Let's put it like this. If someone is looking to purchase a high-ticket item, they're far less likely to do so if it's an all-or-nothing gamble where if they dislike it they're stuck with it. People are far looser with money if they have the flexibility to return things. That's why, for example, Best Buy actually extends the return window for customers who spend more. People who order high-end items off of Amazon sure as hell aren't going to do it if whatever shows up is just their problem no matter what.

By the way, despite your hilarious attempts at reductio ad absurdum "examples," book stores have return policies and so do grocery stores. Hell I get my pet food through Chewy and if my dog doesn't like it or seems to be having ill effects from it I can return a half-eaten bag.

You know what the result of these policies is? I shop more from those stores. If there's no return policy, I avoid that like the plague. So, shockingly, stores that allow their customers to make returns on unsatisfactory items end up with long-term customer loyalty and a lot more revenue from said customers.

But hey, I guess you like being up on your straw-man arguing high horse, right?

Only acceptable to me if the item is faulty or not fit for purpose, not if you simply dont like it. Thats maybe just my old fashioned British (we traditionally don't like to complain or apportion blame) view. You're entitled to yours

I sell a product if I dont like it, not use companies as hire shops or lending libraries. Hardly a contentious opinion is it? ....REALLY ?!

Anyway 100% satisfaction with my Sonys thank you

 

[WesennTony]

I haven't had any connection drops with the Earin M2 after a solid week of use even with 96978695x resolutioners running around the gym.

The connection on the M2 is stronger than the RHA True Connect which has Bluetooth 5.0.

I turn transparency mode off since I don't put earphones in to listen to other people. The only issue is sometimes people can't see I have them in my ears since they're so compact.

I may have misused the term "dropout". It's cutting out, the sporadic short loss of sound for a fraction of a second. Anyway, I switched the codec in my phone (LG v30) from AAC to Aptx, the cutting out disappears! I tried about 40mins last night and 40-50mins this morning, and no cutting out occurs. Also the sound is slightly better to my ear. I guess they "optimize" the decoding of AAC to extend the battery life, which works well for IPhones. If that's the case, I hope they won't do the same thing to Aptx in future updates, as I would rather lose some battery life.

Now I'm very happy with M2. I agree that it's the best all around TWE so far. So glad I did not miss the last batch of black ones on sale.

 

[clerkpalmer]

I have read several sources saying that AAC over android is different than AAC over iPhone. AAC over iPhone is supposed to be superior. If you are using Android, I think aptx is probably the way to go but it’s interesting that the android phones seem to default to AAC.