Apr 18, 2021 at 5:53 PM Post #32,056 of 70,672
I still can't seem to find anywhere to buy the N10 in the USA. I wonder what the difference between the N10 Plus and the N10 Pro are? I love my N6Ps and wouldn't mind grabbing a pair
N10 Pro is only 5.0 not 5.2, no gaming mode, only does aptX, no Google fast pair. Different colors too but no real difference if not using above aptX or you don't care about gaming. I'd assume the N10Pro is done being made and either they have a batch to send to the U.S. or it will never come out here.


I did order this for $55 shipped unless the pre-order price guarantee kicks in and drops the price more since they come out on the 23rd.
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Just for the hell of it since it is cheap. Cleer Goal is still the best sounding TWS I have but they are big Frankenstein bolts and I have never gotten used to the touch control area on them due to the size and shape of them. These will lose in SQ and win in comfort and weight and ergonomics most likely.
 
Apr 18, 2021 at 6:14 PM Post #32,058 of 70,672
Thinking of ordering the fiio also. How light are they on the ears?
Given they are bluetooth do they sound like other tws or better?
They are very light on ears and with a tier iem, all tws are far way from that insane quality.
 
Apr 18, 2021 at 6:18 PM Post #32,059 of 70,672
From what I read themoondrops are pretty sensitive and even Amp on phone cam drive them easy so am sure the soundmagic USB dac Amp I have coming should be more than fine for them and the blon bl-01.

I have no intention of going up in price on iem or earbuds. That was my point. I agree with you and would have to more than tried my cost to maybe hear a minuscule improvement in sound.
For now most of my music listening is streamed. I might upgrade to a lossless or HD suncscriptiom with deeper amazon or tidal if a demo of it with these earbuds and the dac Amp with the upsacling that Samsung does via wired headphones makes a difference.

As for tws adapters the fiio ones are amped decentlyand again should easily drive both pairs.
Investing in a Dap right now for me is pointless as I don't have the energy or time to rip my collection into lossless. And not sure my ears will see enough difference from streamed music especially the newer HD streaming options.
There's meeting the minimum sensitivity spec and then there's giving the driver adequate juice to move reliably. My experience has shown Moondrop's dynamic drivers need a good amount of current to "wake up," translating into a much less brittle upper midrange and more confident low-end. Under 50ish mW isn't enough.

Yes, they sound fine on power from a headphone out (or something like the BT20S), but the consequences of physics on these kinds of drivers are unavoidable. You're going to enjoy them plenty as is; I'm merely suggesting a next step if/when you're ready. Not trying to make you buy something else; just trying to help you steer clear of a very easy trap for wired Head-Fi enthusiasts to fall into.
 
Apr 18, 2021 at 6:34 PM Post #32,061 of 70,672
There's meeting the minimum sensitivity spec and then there's giving the driver adequate juice to move reliably. My experience has shown Moondrop's dynamic drivers need a good amount of current to "wake up," translating into a much less brittle upper midrange and more confident low-end. Under 50ish mW isn't enough.

Yes, they sound fine on power from a headphone out (or something like the BT20S), but the consequences of physics on these kinds of drivers are unavoidable. You're going to enjoy them plenty as is; I'm merely suggesting a next step if/when you're ready. Not trying to make you buy something else; just trying to help you steer clear of a very easy trap for wired Head-Fi enthusiasts to fall into.
Well the soundmagic usbc dac Amp has 30 mw at 32 ohms so figure these are 16 they are likely over 50mw.
 
Apr 18, 2021 at 6:41 PM Post #32,062 of 70,672
Well the soundmagic usbc dac Amp has 30 mw at 32 ohms so figure these are 16 they are likely over 50mw.
Not continuously, but that's way too OT for this thread lol. Used to study driver physics when I was in my car audio days and am slowly learning how that translates to in-ear speakers. While we think the relationship is linear, there's a lot of other factors at play, namely that those power specs don't include any resistive loading and is done under controlled conditions.

It's kind of a shameless sales tactic, but something I see the community expect to see. I've seen full-on wars unfold over missing specifications (and I'm not even talking about ASR) that, in the end, turn out to be meaningless to the actual product performance.

All I'm saying is I've seen a thing or two.
 
Apr 18, 2021 at 8:03 PM Post #32,065 of 70,672
What app is showing that?
Looks like the Bluetooth options for that device from the System Menu. There's another layer to that hidden under Developer Options, but this isn't it. The D.O. menu will allow you to select individual codecs and sample/bitrates (in the case of aptX(s) and LDAC).

Usually, this is done by going to your About menu and tapping on the Build Number about 5-10 times (varies by device). If you do it right, you should see a notification pop up confirming Developer Options are now available (or something similar).

This is a really useful tool to diagnose connectivity and codec issues on Android, but also a great way to significantly affect the performance of your phone. Please be careful when making these sorts of adjustments.
 
Apr 18, 2021 at 8:11 PM Post #32,066 of 70,672
Looks like the Bluetooth options for that device from the System Menu. There's another layer to that hidden under Developer Options, but this isn't it. The D.O. menu will allow you to select individual codecs and sample/bitrates (in the case of aptX(s) and LDAC).

Usually, this is done by going to your About menu and tapping on the Build Number about 5-10 times (varies by device). If you do it right, you should see a notification pop up confirming Developer Options are now available (or something similar).

This is a really useful tool to diagnose connectivity and codec issues on Android, but also a great way to significantly affect the performance of your phone. Please be careful when making these sorts of adjustments.
I have my developer menu but thus shows you the codec with an on off switch. Never seen that on Android. closest was the melomania app
 
Apr 18, 2021 at 8:17 PM Post #32,067 of 70,672
I have my developer menu but thus shows you the codec with an on off switch. Never seen that on Android. closest was the melomania app
Think some OSes use different menus outside of D.O. in this case. If you tap the gear icon next to the BT device in your Connected list, you should see something similar to that menu. Unfortunately, outside of vanilla Android or Oxygen OS, I can't tell you how consistent that menu is across different devices.
 
Apr 18, 2021 at 8:35 PM Post #32,068 of 70,672
Think some OSes use different menus outside of D.O. in this case. If you tap the gear icon next to the BT device in your Connected list, you should see something similar to that menu. Unfortunately, outside of vanilla Android or Oxygen OS, I can't tell you how consistent that menu is across different devices.
My Samsung phone has no settings like that. Developer Options let me change between available codecs but no on off switch. Good to know the fiio has apt hd as it isn't mentioned. Didn't even know was possible on 3020 chip.
 
Apr 18, 2021 at 8:49 PM Post #32,069 of 70,672
My Samsung phone has no settings like that. Developer Options let me change between available codecs but no on off switch. Good to know the fiio has apt hd as it isn't mentioned. Didn't even know was possible on 3020 chip.
Unfortunately, that image isn't conclusive as there's still a "HD Audio" selection under AAC, which wouldn't make sense if that were the case.

If you go by the specification, though, aptX HD has a far amount of signal noise that even I wasn't that aware of. Signal purists may not admire that much, but I assume there's something about it the AKM BT modules I've used that support it. It's relatively power-inefficient as well, which would mean you'd probably only make it to a couple/few hours on each bud unless you beefed up the battery. Much easier to do with a neckband-style adapter. Not saying it's impossible to do on TWS, but I don't think the benefits outweigh the cost.
 

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