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Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?

Feb 9, 2020 at 9:26 AM Post #19,771 of 70,048
i pulled out my Earin M2 after so long being in the storage box, put my usual reversed foam tips on it, and this thing still sounds great for it's age. it still stutters when connected to my Note 8 using APTX, so i always toggle to AAC when using it with my Note 8. interestingly, using it with my older tablets with APTX it doesn't stutter at all
 
Feb 9, 2020 at 9:28 AM Post #19,772 of 70,048
A lot of this is factory driven on project costs. So for example, the TEVI and Mpow M5 are from the same factory but tuned differently and you can tell Lypertek went shopping with a much higher budget than MPOW and with a bit mroe know-how in how they wanted their driver and setup to sound. The end result is 2 decent TWS but the TEVI that bit better.
 
Feb 9, 2020 at 3:08 PM Post #19,777 of 70,048
jasonb said:
I'm not sure how much clarity they can really have if they don't even support aptx.
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Clarity comes from the drivers. Magnets and diaphragms. Not the bit rate. A great driver with great clarity has clarity regardless of low bit rate podcasts or Hi-Res files. More info and detail and stuff will be present with higher bit rate so the resolution will certainly improve. Perhaps more space and less congestion will help things be more clear but if that is an issue then the drivers probably aren't so hot to begin with. Also important is what is powering it. In this case an ES100(or other BT amp) vs. a phone or player with BT on it's own.

So the BL-03 does have a mid-bass issue that can bloat the bass and hurt the clarity and mask some detail so the FiiL can be more clear in a certain situation. You have to figure out if the ES100 is shaping up the Blon nicely and addressing the potential weakness of the BL-03. If Voicemaster is running the Blon another way that sounds worse than you running them with the ES100, then the FiiL may be dissapointing cause it isn't as good there so then the experience that the FiiL has more clarity will not be true if the ES100 bumps the Blon up above the FiiL. That is what you have to figure out. The whole recipe leads to the end result not just this sounds better than that on it's own end of story. Most often the quality BT amp will sound better than the phone BT to begin with and then add in the better codec on top. So, the FiiL having more clarity or better sound via straight BT, as far as that, I would still bet on the ES100/BL-03 combo coming out on top.
 
Feb 9, 2020 at 4:26 PM Post #19,778 of 70,048
jant71 said:
Clarity comes from the drivers. Magnets and diaphragms. Not the bit rate. A great driver with great clarity has clarity regardless of low bit rate podcasts or Hi-Res files. More info and detail and stuff will be present with higher bit rate so the resolution will certainly improve. Perhaps more space and less congestion will help things be more clear but if that is an issue then the drivers probably aren't so hot to begin with. Also important is what is powering it. In this case an ES100(or other BT amp) vs. a phone or player with BT on it's own.

So the BL-03 does have a mid-bass issue that can bloat the bass and hurt the clarity and mask some detail so the FiiL can be more clear in a certain situation. You have to figure out if the ES100 is shaping up the Blon nicely and addressing the potential weakness of the BL-03. If Voicemaster is running the Blon another way that sounds worse than you running them with the ES100, then the FiiL may be dissapointing cause it isn't as good there so then the experience that the FiiL has more clarity will not be true if the ES100 bumps the Blon up above the FiiL. That is what you have to figure out. The whole recipe leads to the end result not just this sounds better than that on it's own end of story. Most often the quality BT amp will sound better than the phone BT to begin with and then add in the better codec on top. So, the FiiL having more clarity or better sound via straight BT, as far as that, I would still bet on the ES100/BL-03 combo coming out on top.
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I would think that for truly wireless, clarity and detail and resolution and whatever would be a factor of the Bluetooth codec and bit rite, and of course the drivers and their enclosure and DAC and amp built in.

I know that sentence is a mess, but anyway. We already know the ES100 is going to be good in terms of the Bluetooth codecs and bit rates, DAC and amplification. We already know it's a solid and capable device, so that just leaves the IEM or headphones themselves you plug into it. For my tastes, the saving grace of the Blon BL03 is the EQ that's built into the ES100. I'm not EQ'ing them that much, but a small cut in the 63 to 250hz region is making them sound the way I want.

I don't mean to derail this thread about the ES100 or non wireless IEM's. So back to the Galaxy Buds. I don't know that the reason is but they just don't sound good enough for me anymore, even with EQ. I don't know if the drivers and the enclosure are to blame or if it's the Bluetooth codec or bitrate or just the DAC/amp built in just not being high quality, but to me they seem to lack clarity, detail, resolution (whatever you want to call it) and the top end sounds artificial and smeared.
 
Feb 9, 2020 at 4:27 PM Post #19,779 of 70,048
jant71 said:
Clarity comes from the drivers. Magnets and diaphragms. Not the bit rate. A great driver with great clarity has clarity regardless of low bit rate podcasts or Hi-Res files. More info and detail and stuff will be present with higher bit rate so the resolution will certainly improve. Perhaps more space and less congestion will help things be more clear but if that is an issue then the drivers probably aren't so hot to begin with. Also important is what is powering it. In this case an ES100(or other BT amp) vs. a phone or player with BT on it's own.

So the BL-03 does have a mid-bass issue that can bloat the bass and hurt the clarity and mask some detail so the FiiL can be more clear in a certain situation. You have to figure out if the ES100 is shaping up the Blon nicely and addressing the potential weakness of the BL-03. If Voicemaster is running the Blon another way that sounds worse than you running them with the ES100, then the FiiL may be dissapointing cause it isn't as good there so then the experience that the FiiL has more clarity will not be true if the ES100 bumps the Blon up above the FiiL. That is what you have to figure out. The whole recipe leads to the end result not just this sounds better than that on it's own end of story. Most often the quality BT amp will sound better than the phone BT to begin with and then add in the better codec on top. So, the FiiL having more clarity or better sound via straight BT, as far as that, I would still bet on the ES100/BL-03 combo coming out on top.
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Yeah, the shortcoming of tws is you can't modify the amping.
 
Feb 9, 2020 at 4:48 PM Post #19,780 of 70,048
Feb 9, 2020 at 7:18 PM Post #19,782 of 70,048
Infoseeker said:
I would factory reset the iem and check it on another phone first.
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Thank you. Is there a standard "factory reset" button-push raindance, or is it specific to each brand and model? I probably don't keep as much of the documentation as I should.
 
Feb 10, 2020 at 12:11 AM Post #19,783 of 70,048
Muzili EA10 First impressions
- Only supports SBC, not even AAC. Not the end of the world but I was hoping at least for AAC.
- Rather dark/warm sound with some mid-bass bloat. Decent soundstage and detail retrieval. Some distortion in the bass.
- As one user on Amazon indicated, they do have volume controls - just triple-tap.
- Case supports USB Type-C to A charging only. Not a dealbreaker personally, but you will see it as such as you can't charge off a PD charger or Type-C laptop. Disappointing because for a long time it looked like recent TWS were able to avoid this issue.

EDIT: It seems the distortion can be minimized by disabling absolute volume. Still not an efficient solution for me. I'd much prefer having media volumes synced with the source device.

also, AWFUL, loud auto-power off. A sudden ZAP with the "POWER OFF" voice prompt, like someone shocking your brain.
 
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Feb 10, 2020 at 1:48 AM Post #19,784 of 70,048
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Just received these. Liking the sound signature so far. Thanks to DynamicEars for the rec! :beyersmile:
 
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