[liujun050612]

Many DAPs will become more powerful in the future. From 2023 to now early 2024, some Mid-Fi DAPs like Fiio M15s and iBasso DX260 and high end DAP like Cayin N30LE already produce over 1W at 32 Ohm. I think for more transportable headphone should use (around) 32 Ohm impedance as well (E3 at 27 Ohm), as lower impedance need more current, that a bit hard for portable music player.

E3 needs at least 1.5W to reach it's full potential. Most DAP just can't provide that huge current to E3. Even the AK kann ultra.

 

[hanumanbob]

E3 needs a big overhead of power to come alive. It's probably better to use a much less demanding HP with DAPs which there are plenty,. Unfortunately, they fold up so nicely that they are perfect for moving around and they don't have much sound leakage to the environment so they would be a great option if not for the power requirements.

 

[dougq]

I have found the E3 to perform equally well from 1w amps to 17w amps. Seems to sing beutifully on all. To hit 115db I think it only needs 300-ish mw. I forget the exact amount. 1w will get it to 120db.

 

[jamato8]

I have found the E3 to perform equally well from 1w amps to 17w amps. Seems to sing beutifully on all. To hit 115db I think it only needs 300-ish mw. I forget the exact amount. 1w will get it to 120db.

It is also about staying in the low distortion range of an amp, for the best sound. That means staying predominately in the lower output of the amp rather than using all of the power capabilities.

 

[Currawong]

That’s interesting because I sold my liric only because I found it to be lacking bass. It didn’t reach very deep for me. Everything else was great about it. Now I wonder if liric vary from unit to unit like someone said earlier. Maybe I should give them another chance? I do prefer a very deep bass I’ve had trouble finding in a closed back and I’ve gone through a lot of them and still not completely satisfied…will try E3 next.

The Liric seems to suffer from the old effect caused by putting a closed back on a planar, where you lose mid-bass. It doesn't help that the drivers are smaller than the other Meze headphones.

There was an impressions comment further back in how the instruments panned and decayed or such like and how the member never noticed that before on an album he was familiar with.
I just wonder if that is an arifact of the tube-like guides on the raised and angled wave guide or its revealing such things in the recording with the technical ability of the can....

I feel like the E3 is very absolute on revealing how a recording (or your gear) is. This can be both good and bad.

Many DAPs will become more powerful in the future. From 2023 to now early 2024, some Mid-Fi DAPs like Fiio M15s and iBasso DX260 and high end DAP like Cayin N30LE already produce over 1W at 32 Ohm. I think for more transportable headphone should use (around) 32 Ohm impedance as well (E3 at 27 Ohm), as lower impedance need more current, that a bit hard for portable music player.

1W RMS, or 1W peak? These figures don't really reveal anything about the amplification circuit, which is almost always limited. It's how the first couple of hundred mW are delivered that is critical. The limitation is likely the battery as well, which only has so much current it can output.

E3 needs at least 1.5W to reach it's full potential. Most DAP just can't provide that huge current to E3. Even the AK kann ultra.

See my comment above. You're not going to use 1.5W, or anything near it, with any headphones. Pretty much all my best amplification here that isn't a speaker amp delivers about 1W or less. The new Mjolnir is a rare exception.

 

[jarnopp]

E3 needs at least 1.5W to reach it's full potential. Most DAP just can't provide that huge current to E3. Even the AK kann ultra.

You need to consider both watts and current. For example, Mojo2 can deliver 600mW @ 30 ohms (4.2 V RMS). Driving E3 (90dB sensitivity at 27 ohms) pretty much maxes out Mojo2 to hit 118 dB peak in practice (to my ears) Mojo2 drives them as well as TT2. Not as refined and detailed, but no lack for power, control, bass, etc.

 

[jlbrach]

I have found the E3 to perform equally well from 1w amps to 17w amps. Seems to sing beutifully on all. To hit 115db I think it only needs 300-ish mw. I forget the exact amount. 1w will get it to 120db.

why do people insist on speaking of how much power is needed to play loud?...that is not what determines a good amp

 

[elira]

why do people insist on speaking of how much power is needed to play loud?...that is not what determines a good amp

What does?

 

[dougq]

why do people insist on speaking of how much power is needed to play loud?...that is not what determines a good amp

Most Amps now perform at max power with minimal distortion. You are getting everything out of these and you don’t have to spend a ton of money. It’s a great time.

 

[liujun050612]

Most Amps now perform at max power with minimal distortion. You are getting everything out of these and you don’t have to spend a ton of money. It’s a great time.

But not for most DAPs. I wish one DAP do everything, Not hook my phone and amp together, which makes the brick not pocket friendly while traveling.

 

[Tachyon88]

What does?

Money and appeal to common belief.

 

[Waddiewadkins]

Money and appeal to common belief.

Are you hoping E3 isn't the stealth and 800 all in one?.. Well just sell em bro amd get one haha

 

[Tachyon88]

Are you hoping E3 isn't the stealth and 800 all in one?.. Well just sell em bro amd get one haha

That would be really cool, but I don't see how that would be possible to combine those two though. The HD800s huge soundstage is attributed to that large cup design. The DD is also another nuance in the presentation. Conversely the stealth is like a smaller damped room, but doesn't sound closed. Stealth has larger soundstage than open back HD6xx. I eq the HD800s to Harman, so both have similar tonality, but different presentation. Different enough to justify owning both as compliments. However I think the stealth is the closest to the one to rule them all. You get the benefits of closed back isolation while also not sounding like a close back, essential no distortion that adds into that incredible "technicalities". I can't image the E3 being more different than similar to the stealth though. I'm sure the difference is extremely nuanced.

 

[jarnopp]

That would be really cool, but I don't see how that would be possible to combine those two though. The HD800s huge soundstage is attributed to that large cup design. The DD is also another nuance in the presentation. Conversely the stealth is like a smaller damped room, but doesn't sound closed. Stealth has larger soundstage than open back HD6xx. I eq the HD800s to Harman, so both have similar tonality, but different presentation. Different enough to justify owning both as compliments. However I think the stealth is the closest to the one to rule them all. You get the benefits of closed back isolation while also not sounding like a close back, essential no distortion that adds into that incredible "technicalities". I can't image the E3 being more different than similar to the stealth though. I'm sure the difference is extremely nuanced.

I wouldn’t say extremely nuanced. The difference between Aeon 2 Noire and E3 is like going from a closed version to an open version of a headphone with the same tuning, even though E3 is also closed. Of course. Noire to Stealth was like going to a more refined and detailed version. You need to hear it.

 

[Waddiewadkins]

That would be really cool, but I don't see how that would be possible to combine those two though. The HD800s huge soundstage is attributed to that large cup design. The DD is also another nuance in the presentation. Conversely the stealth is like a smaller damped room, but doesn't sound closed. Stealth has larger soundstage than open back HD6xx. I eq the HD800s to Harman, so both have similar tonality, but different presentation. Different enough to justify owning both as compliments. However I think the stealth is the closest to the one to rule them all. You get the benefits of closed back isolation while also not sounding like a close back, essential no distortion that adds into that incredible "technicalities". I can't image the E3 being more different than similar to the stealth though. I'm sure the difference is extremely nuanced.

It's half the price which is going to be interesting for their sales. The way its being reviewed which is that in general as far as I can see abreast of the Internet , it shares the same qualities, and most importantly, the staging and imaging qualities as the double priced next up the food chain is going to seriously buck the trend of likely purchasing triggers for the 1k buyer to suddenly going double for it. For sure there are plenty of options between 1k and 2k , but this things arrival on the scene is so intriguing , such a splash , and an instant classic , with all of the tried and tested and proven top top quality (stealth etc) and knowledge of those, suddenly being poured into this form and plopped onto the scene. I love it. So interesting, as a bystander. Because its not cheap still as a bystander, yet for those reasons.... It makes the Noire now this ,,, thing... haha.. this 1k hmmmm,,
iwasnt gonna spend 1k but then inwas but now,,, hmm, I think I'm actually gonna spend 2k!.... bystander as in most likely I shouldn't be thinking of buying this.... most likely. I should just buy ath WP-900 and move on!