** Confessions of a Failing Audiophile ** - I hated the LCD2
Sep 28, 2011 at 5:51 PM Post #211 of 631
 
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I guess I would be pissed too if I had 4,000 posts in 2 years on a board centered around a hobby I realized as total hogwash.  Even if you sell everything, you are invested in head-fi with your time and bandwidth.  I commend you for making such a drastic change in thought.  So many will rationalize till they die saying "tubes sound SOOOOOO much better...yada yada yada".  Good luck dude.


It's actually depressing to find out that you have to spend so much effort and money to find out everything in high-end is hype. There needs to be more poor dudes with the experience to share their experience like swbf2cheater does so other poor dudes can make a choice whether going higher up is worth it. Hint: If you're just a simple music-lover, it's not. There's so much strange "truths" in audiophilia that it boogles my mind and you don't really know until you experience it for yourself. I'm also kind of disgusted by the audiophiles that think it's a shame when music artists don't use headphone equipment up to par with their standards. Headphones have absolutely NOTHING to do with making music. People complaining about quality of records all the time and would actually stop listening to poorly recorded records altogether do not have their priorities straight.
 
Sep 28, 2011 at 6:45 PM Post #212 of 631


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Too many words. No pics. Bad illustrations.
I just can't visualise it. 
 
I'd rather buy some blu tack and stick the ear pads on to the cups that way.
But I wouldn't need to do that if HD598 ear pads were a perfect fit on the HD438s.

 
Well, Blu-Tack is the choice for audiophiles the world over who are in the know regarding small speakers and the stands they sit on so it only makes sense that you'd want some between your head and the ear speakers you use. 
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Sep 29, 2011 at 10:19 AM Post #215 of 631


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People complaining about quality of records all the time and would actually stop listening to poorly recorded records altogether do not have their priorities straight.


Thank god for whoever mixed Jimi's albums :D
 
 
Sep 29, 2011 at 10:51 AM Post #216 of 631
Sep 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM Post #217 of 631
For the record, all I've got is an E7, E9, SR80i, HD650, and a Music Streamer II+.  Probably about $700 or $800 into it.  I love what I've got thus far.
 
Gotta say, though - I'm tempted by Electrostatics and the famed LCD2 r2.  And of course a better amp to drive them.
 
Sep 29, 2011 at 11:00 AM Post #218 of 631

Maybe it is only depressing for those that seek an unrealistic destination, a holy grail that can never exist, those that enjoy the journey do not find it depressing.  Your truths are your truths, don't assume they are every-ones.  My enjoyment from listening to the music is enhanced by the gear (Headphones) I have, the exact opposite of feeling depressed.  If more expensive headphones don't rock your boat then by all means settle somewhere that represents "better bang for your buck", but it is arrogant and narrow minded to think you have a mortgage on the truth.
 
 
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It's actually depressing to find out that you have to spend so much effort and money to find out everything in high-end is hype. There needs to be more poor dudes with the experience to share their experience like swbf2cheater does so other poor dudes can make a choice whether going higher up is worth it. Hint: If you're just a simple music-lover, it's not.

 
 
Sep 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM Post #219 of 631
I believe that the enjoyment of music for many can be enhanced dramatically by the quality of sound reproduction.  I'm a musician first, an engineer/audiophile second.  When the sound is produced well it's worth the expense for me even if it's only perceptively 10% better than something at half the cost.  Part of this is because I am willing to spend my money on it and fortunately have the luxury of doing this.  I won't deny that for someone on a budget there is little reason to stress and strain over the 10% difference in quality between a great 300 dollar headphone and a great 1300 dollar headphone. 
 
I actually think however that the LCD-2 is in fact one of the marvels of the headphone community.  I think a well trained technical ear who is not even judging how the headphones reproduce the music, but merely the specs and graphs.... the LCD-2 compares with headphones which sell for so much more and they are not dramatically difficult to amp well.
 
For this reason, I think the LCD-2 is a winner.  I respect everyone's personal opinion and I know that I have not liked some very popular headphones.  If there were no opinions, then there would be no head-fi.  :)
 
Sep 29, 2011 at 1:30 PM Post #221 of 631
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Over the past 15 years I have struggled to satisfy my audio needs without much success.  It seems like every time I read a thread title with more than 1 exclamation point, I get as excited as a ravenous wolf whom just witness the sudden spontaneous combustion of some woodland creature.  Not only is it a well earned meal, but a nicely cooked one, too! 
 
Thats pretty much how I feel in regards to any new Hi Fi set that comes into the market. The latest beast to enter my house were the famed Audeze LCD2 Planar Magnetics.  After much consideration, I've come to realize nothing is going to make me happy.
 
I've been through pretty much every hi fi set in existence with the most expensive staxx models, the HE90 and the TakeT.  Can't really think of any other of the big boys that I haven't played with already.  After the HE500 other Hifiman models failed to keep my interest I decided to give it one last shot, one final ride into the sunset with the LCD2 so to speak.  
 
 
My overall impressions are negative. I much prefer the He-500 in every way and for every genre.  Call me crazy, but I was not even remotely impressed with the Audeze.  I found the sound stage too small for me and something that made me cringe and reach out for my He-500 very often.  I didn't find it realistic in the slightest nor did I find it large and spacious in any direction except forward.  My goodness, it had bar none the best stage depth I have ever witnessed in any set of headphones.  The sense of space in front of you, that "layering" as some call it was just fantastic.  But at what cost?  The set was absurdly gigantic.  Don't get me wrong, most of the other new models have this problem as well.  
 
Pretty much all of the newer really high end sets are just fantastically uncomfortable.  What is this?  The 1940s all over again?  This is 2011 for crying out loud, the technology should be getting smaller, not larger.  These sets aren't the future, earbuds are.  Who wants to use a giant bulky set of headphones that weights 400+ grams with earcups resembling car tires strapped to your head?  Nobody does.  The LCD2 cable is pure nonsense and the Hifi man cables are even worse.  Every time I sat down, the cable would just bunch up on my chest due to the odd angle and length of the connectors on each earcup.  They are simply too big and offset in a poor direction to be even remotely considered comfortable...and the cable...well...You just spent potentially near $900 to get a generic cable in terms of physical construction, great quality inside, but outside its just a garden hose.  Things like this should never exist in a package costing this much mula.   ( hifi man, are you listening? ) 
 
Despite the poor comfort qualities, the sound quality isn't really that much nicer than what the Edition 8 is capable of.  Having both side by side properly amped, I much prefer the Edtiion 8 for dang near everything except bass.  The LCD2 has the best bass quality of any set of headphones I have ever had the pleasure of using.  To my ears at least, it was the best.  Kudos to you if you disagree.  I am stunned by the LCD2s efficiency, my Cavali and Schiit brand amps did nothing for it beyond just using my Cowan J3.  Super Efficient set, amazingly so.  Requires massive power to get any change in sound out of a decent source with yet more decent output.  Don't bother with budget amping if you are using anything on the level of the J3, it wont make enough difference to justify the price you paid for your amp.  Invest in a Lyr or something insanely powerful to get that extra 10% in clarity and soundstaging, otherwise skip the amping
 
For a set like this, nobody in their right mind is going to use it as a studio monitor so it really shouldnt have such a massive cable.  Its better to have a shorter cable with the option of adding an extension over being forced to recable or pay an extra $200 just for another shorter cable.  That nonsense needs to stop, we audiophiles buy your gear and keep you running yet most of the big boy toys do not cater at all to audiophiles.  
 
I liked the LCD2, but it didn't impress me much and fell into the category of "potentially massively overhyped sets" within a few days.  It made me seriously want to only use my Edition 8 which had the same natural-ish setup and presentation.  Yet, in a closed back set?  I would pick the closed back set with great soundstage size, clarity and comfort over the open back set with a the same qualities but with inferior comfort.
 
Sure, this review is a bit late in the game as the LCD2 has been out for a while.  I really don't care for hi fi audio anymore,  I went back to the basics and have been immensely happy.  Anything beyond $300 bones for a set of headphones is just crazy to me now, I feel like the ego  and mental state that comes with being an audiophile blinded me to reality and how pretty much everyone looks at me like im nuts for paying that much for headphones.  I've started to agree with these people...I feel conflicted beyond reason right now and am not sure which side to take anymore.  
 
 
Thanks for readin'
 
-Some dude who has lost faith in hi fi audio 
 


Sobering reading.
Nice.:D
But the part with LCD-2's bass makes me try them necessarily.
 
Sep 29, 2011 at 1:48 PM Post #222 of 631
I seem to have a unique view after reading back through all 15 pages here, which only makes me feel that much stronger in my view.  If I am to pay $900 for a set of headphones they darn well better be insanely comfortable and have a well thought out cable that goes well with the set, not only that
( and here is where my view really derails from typical audiophile logic ) but I want my $900 to sound immensely fun, WARM and highly engaging.  I found the LCD2 to be horrendously uncomfortable and boring beyond belief, I also found most of the Hi Fi sets to be so dry and lifeless with emphasis on natural tonality.  
 
I say death to this type of sound, I'm really tired of it.  I want to sit down on my couch or chair, plop on an insanely comfortable set of headphones and rock out to no end with a fantastic warm and fun sound. I don't want my $900-2000 set of headphones to only play a few genres well, for that price it should play all genres well, it should have insane positioning abilities for gaming if i wanted to and be very easy to drive.  These are just MY preferences and it seems audio companies want to go in the opposite direction...and so will I until they get back on track.  Warm, fun and comfortable are not adjectives I would ever use to describe the LCD2.  As stated before, if you could care less about these things and are willing to ignore it and make a compromise ( which is the entire point behind this topic, as I no longer wish to make compromises at all ) then the LCD2 and some of the other sets mentioned are for you.  It's not a question of money, someone earlier called me poor which is just fine, but I happily paid $1500 for my Edition 8 and loved the hell out of it despite terrible bass qualities beaten by sets that costs 5x less.  
 
I feel like Stan from one of the newer south park episodes, the cnynical episode. 
 
Sep 29, 2011 at 2:22 PM Post #224 of 631
Then you're doing the right thing by leaving this hobby, which should be (but usually isn't) focused on accurate reproduction.
 
I'm surprised you don't find the LCD-2 warm, though.
 
Sep 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM Post #225 of 631


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I haven't read the full thread but what is your favorite setup, i.e. source, amp and headphones that comes closest to your desired sound?



My current setup is composed of a hoard of earbuds ( my personal favorite right now is the Blox M2C ) as well as my recabled HD 598 and a J3.  I have done away with amplification of all types, full size and portable.  I've chosen the HD 598 because its comfortable, has an incredibly large soundstage that not only makes sense to me but meshes well with my tastes, is bass moderate, has amazing mids ideal for vocals, crisp highs, a presentation from lows to highs that is NEVER harsh and produces a blissfully smooth sound that has just the right amount of punch and slam without being too harsh or lacking, plays every single genre equally as well including a style I play on the guitar and listen to often called Gypsy Jazz, which is mostly composed of two acoustic guitars and a bass, perhaps even a violin sometimes ( it plays it exceptionally well, the LCD2 played it better than any set I have ever used, bar none ), has a setup that is moderately bright and forward, not too far a'la typical sennheiser house sound, but not overly forward to sway classical music from sounding its best ( its position is set up in an unbiased way that again makes every genre sound very nice ) , had a detachable cable but I chose a recabled version for shorter cable needs, has exceptional position abilities for gaming online in Call of Duty ( something the LCD2 flat out sucked for ) , and lastly is exceptionally easy to drive.  Most of my amps did nothing for it beyond what the J3 provides.  All this for $120 bucks is beyond a steal, quality and performance far beyond what I paid.
 
As for my absolute favorite setup.  That would definitely be the Edition 8 + SR71B + J3.  Never tried balanced but it was still exceptional in clarity, soundstaging and simply meshed with my ears better than any hi fi set to date.  Again, despite the atrocious bass quality and quantity the mids and highs were just amazing to my ears.  Vocals were jaw dropping, separation was amazing for a closed back set.  I originally had no clue how the Edition 8 sounded and was shocked the first time I heard it.  It is a mini LCD2.  Same general setup with emphasis on that natural type of sound which I am not really that fond of, but its bass was a bit warm which made the set the most fun to listen to out of the crop of really expensive sets.  Even though that bass was terrible in quality, it was still in the realm of warm and that coloration opposed the natural mids and highs, offset them in just the right way to make the set super fun to listen to for me.  Yes, the LCD2 did almost everything in terms of presentation and audio quality in a superior manner, but its a giant piece of clunky gear that you can't take with you.  Also, I must mention the T1 I owned before I lost all my gear about a year ago, for ambiance and spacial imaging the T1 is the undisputed champion ( I was a semi pro MW2 Gamer and my secret weapon was the T1, I can literally hear people so far away with perfect accuracy...nothing ever came that close for spacial positioning that I have ever used ) If I had a choice to rebuy any hi fi set, it would be the T1 for its overall user friendliness.  Comfortable, sounds almost as good as the LCD2 in quality, but offered more options for my needs than all the other expensive sets outside of the Eddy 8.  However, the T1 was a beast and sucked the life out of all my amplification and I am just too cheap to continue cleaning its litter box and buying it expensive T1 Nipz ( amps ) just to make it sound its best.
 
If Ultrasone makes a revision of the Edition 8 minus all the nonsense materials like the super expensive metals and leather, as well as fixed the bass quality and quantity, allowing the price to float down nicely to a few hundred bucks, I would definitely never use another set of headphones until something significantly better came out.  I want a consumer level Edition 8.1 , a budget model with the same quality in the mids, highs and stage with bass that is drastically fixed up.  All that nonsense in expensive materials jacked the price up too high.
 

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