[baskingshark]

Speaking of Final Audio, would it make sense to pick up the E500 if I already have the E3000 (which I enjoy)?

U might wanna check with @RikudouGoku who has both. I think the E500 is more neutralish and best specialized for binaural recordings and perhaps gaming.

 

[RikudouGoku]

Speaking of Final Audio, would it make sense to pick up the E500 if I already have the E3000 (which I enjoy)?

They are completely different. The E3000 is warm L-shaped while the E500 is neutral. BUT I think the E1000 is a better iem than the E500 for music. For gaming the E500 is pretty amazing.

 

[harry501501]

Yep, even though it is around 2 years old, I think the Final Audio E3000 still can compete with some recent single DD releases (when amped). I feel a true gauge of a good IEM is if after the hype train has settled and months later, people are still using it or recommending it, then that is a true gem. Not everything that is new is better, for example I just tried the CCA C10 Pro, it is a sidegrade or even a marginal downgrade to the 1 year old KZ ZS10 Pro. The CCA C10 Pro is rather harsh and fatiguing in the treble, with a worse timbre than the KZ ZS10 Pro and sibilance in spades. I wouldn't recommend it to existing KZ ZS10 Pro owners TBH.

Final E3000 has great imaging and soundstage at the sub $50 price, and is very smooth and suited for long listening sessions. But it ain't perfect, with these areas holding it back from being a true giant killer:
- Noodle thin, non detachable, microphonic cable -> might be a point of failure down the line, and some of us may wanna use aftermarket balanced cables or BT adapters.
- Requires a powerful source to shine.
- Poor isolation.
- Midbass on the slow/nebulous side, with lack in subbass extension.
- Rolled off treble, not the most detailed treble (may be a pro or con depending on your treble sensitivity levels).

Yeah, I really enjoy the e3000 and 100% agree with your assessment. Funnily enough, I was trying the e2000 out last night for a friend who may buy them and it has a tiny bit fuller body and deeper bass... not a massive mount deeper than the e3000, but enough to help smoothen out some of the dryness in vocals and help sculpt the lower mids a bit better. I find vocals on the e3000 too recessed and dry. What the e3000 does better is upper mids and detail which make it a bit more open sounding and airy. Both really suffer from microphonics as you mention.

I should add, vocals on the e2000 are bang on the sweet spot for me. Silky and articulate.

 

[harry501501]

Keep this separate. So I've been giving the Hzsound Heart Mirror a lot of testing, probably more than I normally do with new IEMs because they react so differently to tip type and source. I finally settled for the KZ Starlines which opened them up without having an adverse effect on the bass, which isn't the deepest or hardest hitting in the world.

I was originally going to trounce on the lack of bass, but having the e3000 next to me to compare they're actually extremely similar in-depth, if anything the Heart is a bit weightier. and actually not that bad The e3000 (about 15 notches up in volume to get similar levels lol) has bass more resolution tho, bass notes sound more musical and real. The Heart tho isn't just the KZ thump type.

The Heart is much brighter up top and has a more forward sound... which given the e3000 is recessed, probably makes it seem more forward while I listen, but it's defo more forward than centre, just before your face. Mids on the e3000 are organic, mids on the Heart are more detailed, especially upper mids, it's the much brighter earphone... but not aggressively so. Vocals i like on the Heart as they're very clear and articulate. Female vocals are awesome.

Treble is shiny and detailed, quite a decent amount of microdetail actually. But it is pretty forward. It would fatigue me personally (but I'm not the biggest on treble), but may not everyone else. It can be a tiny bit hard at times. There's surprisingly no sibilance anywhere they tuned it well to avoid it being brighter. The odd thing is tho, it's shiny and airy... but separation isn't the best... at times a little wall of sound... but only with certain material.

Anyway, at £35 would I recommend them? If you're after a bright sound, detailed, balanced which has just enough musicality to be fun, yes. Do you need it though if you have sets like the CCA C12 which is much fuller, but slightly better in technicality, or the e3000 which is in comparison far more recessed but the more organic sounding, or the KB100 which is a bit fuller tho lacks the finesse of the Heart's upper mids/treble... maybe not? That's not me bashing it tho, at £35 there's a lot of competition that's equally as good and I'd doubt you'd be disappointed. If you got in in the 11:11 sales for £20-25... yes. It is built very well, lovely fit, cable decent enough (looked better from pics, along the standard of the BQEYZ ones, but not as tanglesome).

Maybe Basingshark can chirp in, but it's what I imagine a Tin Hifi house sound might be like?

EDIT : I should add, Basingshark's opinion that they react nicely to decent AMP is accurate. For me, better balance and musicality, just sound, "right".

 

[jmwant]

Theres a flash deal going on At HifiGo . Is this a good price for the Starfield or Blessing 2?Here is the Link

 

[Rarezombiegun]

Bass earbuds better then no.3?

 

[IEMusic]

Bass earbuds better then no.3?

Ear”buds” or IEMs? The TFZ No.3 is an IEM, with ear tips. I prefer the UrbanFun YBF to the No.3. If you decide to get it, get it on Amazon, where you have a good return/exchange policy if it’s defective. I also prefer the iBasso IT00, though some might not consider it a bass head IEM. These don’t necessarily have more bass than the No.3, but they have better bass IMHO. The rest of the tuning is better also IMO.

 

[MrDelicious]

Theres a flash deal going on At HifiGo . Is this a good price for the Starfield or Blessing 2?Here is the Link

Yes, very good for either one.

 

[baskingshark]

Bass earbuds better then no.3?

Are you referring to earbuds or IEMs?

IEMS (picture on the right) sit within the ear canal and hence give a better seal and isolation in general. They tend to give a narrower soundstage as they are sited inside the ear. And cause of the good seal, they allow music to be heard at lower volumes, preserve microdetails and also preserve the bass frequencies, which is the first to be lost in noisy environments.

Earbuds are the picture on the left where the transducer doesn't really enter the ear canal and give a good seal. Earbuds have their strengths though, such as better soundstage. Most of em have poor subbass quantity/extension due to the lack of seal, though they tend to give quite good timbre in general.



If it is a earbud you are referring to, there isn't any that I know of that is more basshead than TFZ No. 3. Most earbuds are weak in subbass. Even the bassiest earbud I have (SMABAT ST10S Black Gold) is still not as basshead as a legit basshead IEM like the TFZ No. 3.

If it is IEMs you are referring to, the TFZ No. 3 actually has very good subbass quantity/extension, but the midbass has some bleed and is a bit bloated. If u want an IEM with better bass quantity (but still is a basshead IEM), then you may consider the Urbanfun YBF-ISS014. The big caveat is that you need to get a beryllium driver version of the Urbanfun. It has very good subbass extension and transients, and is very textured in the bass. It takes to EQ very well too. Problem is there are some that received a "noble metal" version of the Urbanfun, which has a different tuning, and a lot of Urbanfuns have MMCX QC problems even in newer batches. So best to buy it from somewhere with a good returns policy like Amazon.

 

[baskingshark]

Maybe Basingshark can chirp in, but it's what I imagine a Tin Hifi house sound might be like?

EDIT : I should add, Basingshark's opinion that they react nicely to decent AMP is accurate. For me, better balance and musicality, just sound, "right".

Yeah the HZSound Heart Mirror needs amping to scale better. Sounds meh from a smartphone. Warmer sources synergize better too with the Heart Mirror in view of the brightish tuning.

Thanks for your impressions in the previous post! Great stuff!


I don't have the Tin T2 (not the pro or plus version) anymore, so can't do detailed A/B comparisons. But from recollection, the Tin T2 has much less subbass quantity and extension than Heart Mirror. Tin T2 also has worse technicalities and fit. I think the Heart Mirror is a true upgrade over the Tin T2.


HZSound Heart Mirror vs Tin T2 Plus:
The Tin T2 Plus is very well balanced and non fatiguing U shaped set, compared to the neutralish bright Heart Mirror. It has a more boosted bass than the HZSound Heart Mirror, though it has slightly poorer timbre and technicalities than the HZSound Heart Mirror. HZSound Heart Mirror’s driver is faster too for transients, with the Tin T2 Plus having some lingering cymbal decay during splashes/hits. Upper mids aren’t as boosted as on the HZSound Heart Mirror, and coupled with the Tin T2 Plus being bassier, overall it gives a warmer and less cold tonality than the HZSound Heart Mirror. The Tin T2 Plus is hence more versatile in view of the tuning especially for bass forward music. Heart Mirror is a bit more dynamic than the Tin T2 Plus when both are amped well.

I would consider both Tin T2 Plus and Heart Mirror to be sidegrades with complimentary tunings to suit different music genres/preferences. Heart Mirror is a vocal specialist, great for vocal lovers. Tin T2 Plus is great for general purpose, I like it for classical music.

 

[Vannak]

They have bass bloat in general imo, just a bit flabby around the edges which is a shame as they'd be unreal if they tightened up the sound.

I came here to ask for some tip recommendations for them. I've tried large tips, double flanges (they were not very long ones, nozzle inserted into the second flange) and am currently using medium reversed stock blon tips. I had a quick search but didn't find what i was looking for. They're pretty comfortable but my right ear doesn't like something, left is generally fine. Am Caucasian but have smallish ears.

Something with a medium width nozel? i found wides to loosen up the bass even more on these.

Try earrbond tips
Perfect fit for the bl 03 and I find it very comfortable too

 

[jmwant]

Yes, very good for either one.

Thanks, do you think the blessing 2's price jump of $240 are justified for it's performance?

 

[Musclemagic]

Bass earbuds better then no.3?

TFZ Live 3 is better imo, amazing with loads of bass. Sounds like the oBravo Cupid for hundreds less.

 

[jailhouselounge]

Hello, can someone guide me through this? Out of all my IEMs and headphones (nothing crazy), I highly prefer the audeo pfe 121 due to fit for long sessions and the sound signature - balanced and relaxed coupled with clarity and enough bass punch but not overly fatiguing nor does the bass bleed into the details. It's broken now and I just couldn't justify spending money on the older model in 2020. Which of the following do you thank has similar characteristics as mentioned above (considering the others as an upgrade too):
Moondrop Starfield
Fiio FH3
Fiio FD1
TINHIFI T2 Plus

I’m also open to suggestions.

 

[Musclemagic]

Hello, can someone guide me through this? Out of all my IEMs and headphones (nothing crazy), I highly prefer the audeo pfe 121 due to fit for long sessions and the sound signature - balanced and relaxed coupled with clarity and enough bass punch but not overly fatiguing nor does the bass bleed into the details. It's broken now and I just couldn't justify spending money on the older model in 2020. Which of the following do you thank has similar characteristics as mentioned above (considering the others as an upgrade too):
Moondrop Starfield
Fiio FH3
Fiio FD1
TINHIFI T2 Plus

I’m also open to suggestions.

Moondrop SSR if you value the fit most.