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Cayin N5ii Android based Master Quality Digital Audio Player

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by PinkyPowers, Oct 14, 2017.
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  1. Andykong
    I think we need to clarify the USB Audio issue.

    When I said we are trying to improve the USB Audio performance through firmware and Driver update, I was referred to the noise and stability issue when N5ii or N5iiS works as USB DAC.

    On the other hand, the delay is NOT a bug. The USB DAC of N5ii and N5iiS has been advertised and documented as operated in Asynchronous transmission mode. This is a natural design choice when we design an audio product for high fidelity playback and we have explained the issue upfronted, please check out explanation HERE.

    If you want to cross check with other audio manufacturers, the following video from Cambridge Audio explained the various options (synchronous, adaptive and asynchronous) briefly.



    Additional reference are available HERE, HERE and HERE. I hope you can accept the industrial consent that Asynchronized USB transmission is the appropriate choice for a Digital Audio Player.
     
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  2. KwyjiboVenneri
    Thanks!
     
  3. Andykong
    This (Spotify support) is probably the most frequently asked question in this thread. :beerchug:

    As explained by fellow N5iiS users, online streaming works fine, but offline mode is a mix experience, and leans towards the disappointed side unfortunately.

    With Spotify, you can specify the storage location for offline playlist, but we recommend you to stick with internal memory. If you store the offline playlist on TF cards, the moment when Spotify can't detect the playlist for whatever reason, it will assume the device is not available and unsynchronised the playlist, meaning even when the music files remain in TF card, the Spotify App will ignore it and you won't be able to retrieve or playback these music files. Base on the feedback from Spotify community, you'll run into the same problem if you store the offline playlist on the TF card of your mobile phone instead of the internal memory.

    For Tidal, you can't specify the storage location because for unknown reason, Tidal can't detect the TF cards of N5ii or N5iiS. We have released all the necessary right to third party applications (otherwise Spotify won't be able to access the TF cards) already but Tidal didn't get this right. The good news is, Tidal won't synchronise your playlist "accidentally".

    For previous discussion of the Spotify offline issue, please refer to HERE and HERE.
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2019
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  4. Andykong
    Yeap, a big surprise to me as well, try to reach out to HiBy team buty they were on holiday already, I want to find out if this new version of HIByMusic will work for both Android and iOS. Looks like I have to wait till the end of Chunyun.
     
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  5. Andykong
    I am not sure if this is applicable for you. I carry a lot of TF cards with me when I attend shows and event, and frequently I need to prepare 5 to 10 DAPs as show demo units within a very short time. One of my usual practise is to make sure each and every DAP has the same set of demo tracks in its internal memory, and for N5ii and N5iiS, the quickest way to do that is to copy folders from TF card to internal memory with the ES Explorer app pre-installed in the DAP. If I remember it right, copying file from PC to internal memory will average at 6~8 Mbps, but copying from TF card to Internal memory will average at 10-12 Mbps. For the record, my laptop can connect to N5ii or N5iiS and access the internal memory reliably, I just prefer the TF card to Internal memory options because I can copy multiple demo units at the same time and I can move the units around in the middle of copying.
     
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  6. Pete7
    I didn't realize copying from an inserted microSD card to the internal memory was even possible. I will definitely give it a try. Thanks.
     
  7. dricas_007
    Just sold my N5II and got my stainless steel N5IIs. Look good. Faster response due to more ram.
     
  8. maira
    What about SQ?
     
  9. originalsnuffy
    Andy,

    I know that you are running a business. And since I have only a limited personal use case for the N5II, I am okay with firmware update support pretty much coming to an end. Meaning I just play music from the micro SD cards.

    But realistically the unit still has some firmware bugs and my perception is that the USB / DAC connections will also be a bit less than originally anticipated. If I recall some i5 buyers felt that a similar situation was played out for that unit.

    If units come and go quickly without full support it becomes harder to consider new Cayin units. So I think that should be a consideration for your team when evaluating priorities.
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2019
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  10. gazzington
    I fully agree. The n5iis isn't even that old. Fiio still support x5iii
     
  11. Andykong
    I didn't say we stopped supporting N5ii, I only said stop adding new features. We are still working on the next firmware update, but I don't want to offer any false hope to people suggesting new features or raising new requirements to N5ii firmware.
     
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  12. seanwee
    I recently received a replacement unit with the serial number SLC520600759 (which I'm assuming is the 759th unit) and it also has the socket reinforcement.

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    So there's no need to worry about the socket being weak if you get a replacement unit from Cayin and its a pre 1700 unit. They will have done the reinforcement.
     
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  13. Imbrie
    So, after 4 weeks my N5IIS won't power on.

    @CayinSupport - is there something I could be doing i.e. a hard reset or just return the item?
     
  14. Imbrie
    This has just happened to mine too. Any luck finding a resolution?

    @CayinSupport; @Andykong - there are at least 3 of us experiencing this issue so some advice would be appreciated please.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2019
  15. Metalomaniac
    Well, that only fixed one issue with the socket. The other issue is that it becomes loose over time. I've had mine for around nine months, and it's already significantly more loose than originally, and it's getting looser and looser. My previous DAP failed due to to the same reason, so I foolishly assumed the much more expensive Cayin would have a more robust socket. It doesn't.
     
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