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Cayin N5ii Android based Master Quality Digital Audio Player

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by PinkyPowers, Oct 14, 2017.
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  1. Dcipar81
    *and by "trouble with your device" I mean trouble with spotify, as it seems based on the circumstances to be a problem with Spotify, not the DAP.
  2. Colors
    The iFi IEM Match actually works great with sensitive earphones and the Cayin N5ii.

    I noticed a considerable improvement in soundstage and resolution/space when using my Empire Ears Bravado + high sensitivity mode + low gain on my Cayin N5ii.
  3. Metalomaniac
    Looks like you're onto something! Just tried a FAT32 card with Spotify files on it. Rebooting with Spotify running, files are gone! I'll try exFAT next.

    The thing is, it also happens when I download Spotify music to the internal memory. I've had to re-download all my Spotify music a dozen times, but haven't found a pattern.

    How do I close Spotify? Just keep pushing the circle/back button until it closes?
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2018
  4. wakokokoyz
    here are some facts i have gathered so far for spotify users.
    1. use exFat for TF filesystem
    2. choose TF1 as storage in the app itself and not the TF2
    3. spotify is very sensitive in using TF cards. removing/ changing it alone will reset spotify.
    4. re-scanning your whole library will reset spotify
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  5. Andykong
    Thank you for sharing your experience with Spotify offline tricks. We have located some details regarding the Spotify Offline mode, maybe experienced Spotify users can clarify these for us:


    So the term "download in offline mode" is not an accurate description because Spotify only allow you to "conditionally synchronize" with your playlists, and if Spotify modify their terms, you might lost the playlist synchronized in your DAP unexpectedly?

    Maybe this explained (3) in wakokokoyz's list: when you unmount a TF card, Spotify will assume you want to synchronize this device from the playlist. and even when you reload your TF card again, the "downloaded" song will never show up again because the songs are "theoretically" not downloaded by synchronized to the TF card only. If this is the case, maybe we should stick with Internal Memory instead of using TF card to synchronize your Spotify playlist.
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2018
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  6. Metalomaniac
    Unfortunately internal memory isn't big enough to fit all the 3333 songs in Extreme quality.

    The three offline devices -limit is one trigger for sure. I have three mobile devices that I use, but I also use two desktops which also count. According to the link below, as long as you don't use offline mode on more than three devices, you should be OK. I may have offline enabled on one of my desktops, I'll have to check.

    You can get a list of recent offline devices, and reset them here. Note that if you do reset, you have to download music on ALL devices!
  7. Andykong
    Roughly what memory size are we talking about for 3333 songs?

    If Spotify unsynchronize the N5ii when they detect a new TF card is inserted, that will definitely become a big problem too.
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  8. Metalomaniac
    Mine is 32GB.

    All my Spotify songs got lost again just now, running with exFAT, but shut down the player with Spotify running.
  9. Andykong
    So exFAT doesn't make a different, which is the way it should be.

    To be honest, this looks like Spotify has disconnected the device from the playlist subscription, instead of N5ii removed (or lost) the downloaded file. Maybe someone can present their case to Spotify and seek their explanation, and most important, find out if there anyway to re-enable the playlist synchronization instead of create a new synchronization (i.e., download again)?
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  10. Metalomaniac
    Seems to be a common problem with Android Spotify users, not connected to any phone or player:

    I still suspect there might be a workaround, or that the three-device limit is a factor. I'll keep testing.
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2018
  11. Andykong
    I take a quick look on the link you provided and was amazed by the complains and feedbacks, the thread started on 2016 but some users said they had this problem since 2014. If the complaints are all legitimate, that'll imply the download songs will definitely be disappeared when you log out from the app for whatever reason, intentionally or accidentally.

    Now can someone give this a try: right below the "Third Party Application" menu item there is a "Smart Cleaning", this is like a built-in task killer that will terminate all third party applications in one touch. Can someone confirm that the "Smart Cleaning" will only terminate the Spotify but it won't log you out?
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  12. wakokokoyz
    it wont log out. i dont see it closing as well. if u left it in settings, then snart clean, it will go back to settings when u open it again. if it closes it should return to home screen.

    regarding my spotify, its already one day and still has not reset yet. i deleted all spotify folders from android>data (internal and TF2) except for TF1. internal always returns. copied cache folder to TF1 also. i dont know if it helped. after listening i make sure to long press home until homescreen. then shutdown.
  13. wakokokoyz
    btw, my spotify offline songs in n5ii is probably less than 1k. far from 3333 limit
  14. Andykong
    In that case, you should be able to use internal storage for Spotify offline, theoretically this is more stable then TF card.
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  15. wakokokoyz
    i had always used the internal storage without any problem, until it went almost full, only with spotify files, that's why i wanted to try TF as storage. :relaxed:
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