Burson V6 Vivid and V6 Classic Discrete Audio Opamps Discussion and Reviews
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Folks, Finally got hold of a Burson V6 Vivid after a long wait. I wanted 3 for Xonar Essense STXII. At first I was skeptical would it really make a difference. Once I installed it it was just WOW. I went straight from stock to Burson V6. Am yet to complete the burn in period but still see a significant improvement.. I started hearing details which was non-existent. Am unable to upload any pics due to my first post. Tried looking but dont see an option. Maybe mods can help. Thanks
 
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Folks, Finally got hold of a Burson V6 Vivid after a long wait. I wanted 3 for Xonar Essense STXII. At first I was skeptical would it really make a difference. Once I installed it it was just WOW. I went straight from stock to Burson V6. Am yet to complete the burn in period but still see a significant improvement.. I started hearing details which was non-existent. Am unable to upload any pics due to my first post. Tried looking but dont see an option. Maybe mods can help. Thanks
Now you’ve seen the Burson Amps. Should have bought a Burson Play or it’s succesor there’s no comparison. It’s comparing a Burr Brown to an ESS SABRE and they now have a model with the SABRE 9032’s (even more superior to the Plays 9018 Gen 2.) take it from me I’ve owned an STX, 2 STX II’s and a Burson Play. The Play kills the others
 
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Burson Audio builds good stuff. The full-size V6's are outstanding in gear that will take 'em. Hopefully they can pack 98+% of the Vivid's precision into a V6i, as I still can't fit full-size V's into an ASUS® XONAR® STX™ that has the dual-amp side against a video card (such as the EAH6850DC that I anticipate transferring onto the Hot Rod gPC's GA-MA78GM). The Play trumps all comers? Then again, Burson Audio started the Play from a clean sheet and could place every active component in its own sweet spot. ASUSTeK Computer had to shoehorn the XONAR's components into the constraints of a standard-height PCI-Express card.
 
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Hi all,

Worth telling that these discrete "opamps" are still doing a great job in my audio equipments, not even one had any issues, so seem to be quite long-life devices if used correctly. A short reminder on where I am using these discrete opamps and their inside look:
- https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bur...ssion-and-reviews.854912/page-7#post-13711554
- https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bur...ssion-and-reviews.854912/page-9#post-13830420
- https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bur...d-v5-opa-s-review.784790/page-7#post-12384936
- https://www.head-fi.org/threads/asu...-dac-cebit-2011.542563/page-222#post_12728236

Also, worth mentioning that in my ASUS Essence One MKii device SS V6 has a similar performance like the NE5532 when used in I/V or LPF or Buffer stages, despite the MUSES01 that decreased the performance when placed in I/V. That means that SS opamps are less susceptible to PCB design and EMI/RFI noises than MUSES01 opamps.

Note: The latest SS V6 opamps are sealed in a way that the outer shell can not be removed. However, removing the outer shell to any of the Burson opamps will void the warranty, so please take care!
 
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Hi,
i saw that EVGA made a new HiFi Grade sound card, featuring:
  • DAC - AKM AK4493
  • ADC (Line-In) - AKM AK5572
  • ADC (Mic-In) - Cirrus Logic CS5346
  • OP-AMP (Headphone) - ADI OP275 + PowerAmps LME49600x2
  • OP-AMP (Line Out) - ADI AD8056 + Low pass filter LME49724x2
  • Capacitors - WIMA, Audio Note
Detailed specs:
https://eu.evga.com/articles/01281/evga-nu-audio/

Product page:
https://eu.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=712-P1-AN01-KR

They state that both OPAMPS are swappable (OP275 and AD8056) but AD8056 isn't listed on Burson V6 compatibility page.
Is it possible to swap it for a V6 ?
 
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Quite good specs indeed, sort of an ASUS STX, but with newer components inside. I was looking to the above opamps datasheet and I don't think you'll need any further upgrades, although I see no reasons why V6 not to be compatible with. The only issue would be their big size, they'll definitely not fit without removing the outer metallic case (this acts like a shield against EMI/RFI).

BTW, I don't quite like the price of this internal soundcard. Burson PLAY it's cheaper and it can get installed inside your computer's case and is also more powerful with it's 10V RMS of output voltage instead of 8V RMS like the EVGA card.
I guess it's all about what everyone want after all, but this EVGA soundcard, if found cheaper than 200 USD, then it will definitely worth the money.
 
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Now you’ve seen the Burson Amps. Should have bought a Burson Play or it’s succesor there’s no comparison. It’s comparing a Burr Brown to an ESS SABRE and they now have a model with the SABRE 9032’s (even more superior to the Plays 9018 Gen 2.) take it from me I’ve owned an STX, 2 STX II’s and a Burson Play. The Play kills the others
Pretty sure that would be the case. I lost one on ebay that was going for 200. Will keep monitoring.
 
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Welp, my Burson V6 Vivid Dual is dead. Today plugged into my portable amp and no go. Tried other opamps, its fine. Time to vist the buyer i bought from. I noticed some days before the amp would failed to start until i manually power on and off several times then its good. I though my amp having problems with power supply but not today.
 
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If anyone looking for a discreet op amp on a tight budget I have been trying out one of the relatively inexpensive Chinese dual discreet Op Amp clones of the Marantz HDAM module in my Pass Whammy headphone amp, source is a Oppo 205 and listening with sen hd800 I also have used Vivid and Classic in the same position.

Sonically I would say they fit roughly halfway between the Classic and Vivid ie more resolution than the Classic but with a little less of the texture and intimacy the classic delivers. A touch less resolution than the Vivid but fuller and smother and an easier more enjoyable listen with the HD800 for me.

I found the Vivid to clinical with the hd800 and would soon tire of listening for my personal taste it was not a good match but I could happily live with either the Marantz clone or V6 Classic.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Full-Discrete-DUAL-Channels-Op-Amp-Module-replace-NE5532-MUS02-OPA2604-LME49720/252473351516?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
 
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Welp, my Burson V6 Vivid Dual is dead. Today plugged into my portable amp and no go. Tried other opamps, its fine. Time to vist the buyer i bought from. I noticed some days before the amp would failed to start until i manually power on and off several times then its good. I though my amp having problems with power supply but not today.
Just get 3xMUSES920 and 2xAD797 for your PLAY. I had tested my PLAY extensively with several opamps and I found the MUSES and AD as having one of the best price/perf. ration, especially if you're looking for neutrality in sound and least background noise for IEMs too. Some more personal thoughts could be read here: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/burson-playmate.23567/reviews#review-21676.

P.S.: I would keep the SS V6 for a different project.
 
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If for the Play and the Playmate the best combination recommended is having Classics in I/V and Vivids in LP/Gain, would it mean that when using the Swing with the Fun, it should be Classics in the Swing and Vivids in the Fun or vice versa?
 
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@DjBobby I would say yes. Myself I got very good results with V6 Classic in I/V, not with Vivids.

For FUN there might be some more microdetails with Vivids, but this really depends on the cans used.
 
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@DjBobby I would say yes. Myself I got very good results with V6 Classic in I/V, not with Vivids.

For FUN there might be some more microdetails with Vivids, but this really depends on the cans used.
Thanks.
It is interesting that the Burson suggests exactly the opposite combination. Here is the Play, but I guess they have used the same config as well in the Playmate Everest:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/burson-play-dac-amp

In this case it would imply the opposite: the Vivids for the Swing and Classics for the Fun.
 
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