[Georgl]

So you want this to be a pleasant place for average members as well as people who betray and rip-off others with false statements and worthless products instead of having a real debate to rule out false information?

What's when I would say I can tune your HD800 by sending it to me and paying me 100$ so that I put a "HD900"-sticker on it? Would I be still a tolerated member because you don't HAVE to send me your HD800?

I don't know, I look at these pictures of cables and I'm angry and don't think we can continue as we did - but maybe we need two message boards...

 

[Palpatine]

So long as we can do it w/o insulting those who differ in their opinions.
Back to the T1 now...
Is there already an alternative leather pad option for these babies??

 

[Wmcmanus]

Folks, let's all try to talk about the T1 again. If there isn't anything more that you wish to add about the subject at hand, the T1, then kindly don't.

Let's try not to take this thread down any more side roads and unnecessary detours. Since so few people have actually heard the T1 at this point, it has already become difficult to sift through this thread for solid impressions that might be useful to interested observers.

It's understandable that everyone is excited about the product, so of course there will be side discussions, but we really don't need to solve the "great cable debate" (as I like to call it). Not here, not now. We have the Sound Science forum for those who enjoy arguing with each other ad nauseam about such matters (until they begin to bore even themselves).

 

[drubrew]

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Originally Posted by Palpatine /img/forum/go_quote.gif So long as we can do it w/o insulting those who differ in their opinions. Back to the T1 now... Is there already an alternative leather pad option for these babies??

The standard Beyerdynamic leather pads will work on these as the diameter of the cup ring is the same as the other Beyers. They are $45 for a set.

 

[majkel]

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Originally Posted by Georgl /img/forum/go_quote.gif So you want this to be a pleasant place for average members as well as people who betray and rip-off others with false statements and worthless products instead of having a real debate to rule out false information?

The level of generalization in your statements is above absurd. At least name people and products. How many different cables and headphones have you tried to re-cable just for your curiosity? I guess none. This fact is shouting out from each of your posts. Quote:

What's when I would say I can tune your HD800 by sending it to me and paying me 100$ so that I put a "HD900"-sticker on it? Would I be still a tolerated member because you don't HAVE to send me your HD800?

It depends on the value and looks of the sticker, especially whether the customer likes it for the money he/she paid. Quote:

I don't know, I look at these pictures of cables and I'm angry and don't think we can continue as we did - but maybe we need two message boards...

For me this thread is fully informative in regards of the Tesla 1 headphone when the impressions regard a piece with the stock cable however some comparisons with a custom re-cabled T1 will be appreciated as well.

 

[Palpatine]

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Originally Posted by drubrew /img/forum/go_quote.gif The standard Beyerdynamic leather pads will work on these as the diameter of the cup ring is the same as the other Beyers. They are $45 for a set.

Good to know...I bet they'll look super sexy with leather pads on.

 

[Skylab]

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Originally Posted by Palpatine /img/forum/go_quote.gif Good to know...I bet they'll look super sexy with leather pads on.

Probably. But they may not sound super. The leather pads have a profound effect on sound. And WHICH leather pad especially. The ones you can buy from the US store, which are made for the Aviation models, sound horrid on any of the audio headphones. The ones Beyer actually made for audio are only available on the manufacture site.

I will eventually try the JMoney pads, but I am pretty sure even those, which i love on the DT880, will yield too much bass with the T1. But I will get around to trying them soon.

 

[Palpatine]

Cool...thanks, Skylab!

 

[kool bubba ice]

is the 995 price firm? If so, I will most likely buy one. The DT880 are my fav movie/gaming cans..

 

[wakeride74]

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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice /img/forum/go_quote.gif is the 995 price firm? If so, I will most likely buy one. The DT880 are my fav movie/gaming cans..

I just put in an order with Todd Friday and that was what I was quoted.

I just returned some DT880's and an Astro mixamp that I bought for gaming. Really an unbelievable set-up, sounded way better than any other solution I'd tried yet but the amount of cables stretching across my living room and from the mixamp to my DT880, mic, controller were just not worth the hassle. Sound was incredible but I'm just not going to break all that out when I want to play.

 

[anetode]

What's even more interesting is that headphone makers are pandering to this trend. The T1s cable is seriously beefy, like at the Grado i series of overkill. But I digress... and these digressions are not welcome, since not one of the head-fi moderators could be interpreted as a cable non-believer

Latest word still has early February as the delivery estimate, I'm eagerly counting down

 

[Necrolic]

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Originally Posted by Georgl /img/forum/go_quote.gif So you want this to be a pleasant place for average members as well as people who betray and rip-off others with false statements and worthless products instead of having a real debate to rule out false information? What's when I would say I can tune your HD800 by sending it to me and paying me 100$ so that I put a "HD900"-sticker on it? Would I be still a tolerated member because you don't HAVE to send me your HD800? I don't know, I look at these pictures of cables and I'm angry and don't think we can continue as we did - but maybe we need two message boards...

So let me guess, you've never tried recabling, ever?

It does make a difference, whether that difference be positive or negative, it does exist. Yes, recables are EXTREMELY overpriced, but if people like the difference they make and don't mind paying exorbitant prices for them then what business is it of yours.

Also, in the future, TRY THINGS BEFORE YOU SAY THE DIFFERENCES THEY CLAIM TO MAKE ARE FAKE.

I bet you wouldn't believe replacing the D5000 wood cups with deeper wood cups would make a difference, nor would replacing the stock pads with thicker, angled pads, but guess what, it makes a MASSIVE difference.

 

[The Monkey]

Yet another thread derailed by this type of debate.

Just as an fyi to all, definitions, in relevant part, of "opinion" and "fact" (from Webster's):

Opinion

1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b : approval, esteem
2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view

Fact

1 : a thing done: as a obsolete : feat b : crime <accessory after the fact> c archaic : action
3 : the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality
— in fact : in truth

 

[Skylab]

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Originally Posted by The Monkey /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yet another thread derailed by this type of debate.

Yup - in spite of repeated requests for people to leave the cable debate alone. It would be fine for someone who actually HAD a T1 recabled to offer an opinion. For everyone else, it ruins a good thread discussing this headphone.

Anyway, I was asked this question in PM, but thought I would answer it here, since it may be of general interest, and it was a fairly in-depth question:

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I recently spent some time with a 2005 DT880/250 and was impressed with them although a tad more bass would have been nice. I own a pair of D5000 and HF-2 and like the bass on both but especially the proximity of the vocals. Can you shed some light on T1's mid range and vocal presentation for me (especially female vocals)? I'm thinking of ordering a pair but would like to know how they sound in relation to other cans I like that have a more forward vocal presentation? What do they share with the 880's and what separates the two?

The T1 have a "wetter" or lusher midrange than the DT880. I always thought the DT880's mids were admirably neutral, but a bit dry. The T1 still come across as being essentially neutral, but vocals have more weight and body, and seem more natural as a result. They really sound more like they are coming from an actual body singing than any other headphones I have heard, actually. I think vocal performance in general, and female vocals specifically (which I also love), as being an real point of strength for the T1's. I like them much better than the Denon D7000 in this regard, and even than my beloved JVC DX1000.

 

[The Monkey]

Thanks for getting us back on track, skylab.

Sorry if this has been asked before, but can anyone offer a comparison of the T1 to a 'stat like an O2 or even a Lambda Pro?