Beyerdynamic Amiron Home (the new T90)
Sep 29, 2021 at 6:58 AM Post #2,176 of 2,668
I'm using my Amiron Home with a Matrix M-stage (class A amp), which is considerably better controlled than either the iFi Nano iDSD Black Label or Beresford Capella.
 
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Sep 29, 2021 at 11:44 AM Post #2,177 of 2,668
iFi Nano iDSD Black Label

It was designed as a small portable DAC/amp device designed for portable headphones/IEMs. Although it's powerful enough to handle many challenges, it's only natural that beefy amps will do better with some cans :)

Still, , thanks for bringing it up :)
 
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Sep 29, 2021 at 11:46 AM Post #2,178 of 2,668
It was designed as a small portable DAC/amp device designed for portable headphones/IEMs. Although it's powerful enough to handle many challenges, it's only natural that beefy amps will do better with some cans :)

Still, , thanks for bringing it up :)
I mean... it does hold it's own against the Capella for overall sound quality, so that's saying quite a lot :beerchug:

But the Capella can't really keep up with the M-stage either, and it's a dedicated desktop amp!
 
Sep 29, 2021 at 12:01 PM Post #2,179 of 2,668
I mean... it does hold it's own against the Capella for overall sound quality, so that's saying quite a lot :beerchug:

But the Capella can't really keep up with the M-stage either, and it's a dedicated desktop amp!

Hey, thanks a lot, it's always good to know that folks here still use and like our older stuff :)

Can you expand a bit on what your M-Stage does better versus the other two devices?
 
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Sep 29, 2021 at 12:40 PM Post #2,181 of 2,668
Hey, thanks a lot, it's always good to know that folks here still use and like our older stuff :)

Can you expand a bit on what your M-Stage does better versus the other two devices?
The M-stage has swappable opamps, which is a nice feature. But the biggest thing is sheer control, which I imagine probably comes from headroom. Both the Nano and the Capella get plenty loud, even with the Amiron Home and AKG K-701, but that's all they really seem to do: get loud. The M-stage, on the other hand, gets loud but has much better control, which comes through with characteristics like deeper, tighter bass but also "fuller" transients, like the plucking of a guitar string that you can sort of "feel" (if that makes any sense).
 
Sep 30, 2021 at 4:45 AM Post #2,182 of 2,668
The M-stage has swappable opamps, which is a nice feature. But the biggest thing is sheer control, which I imagine probably comes from headroom. Both the Nano and the Capella get plenty loud, even with the Amiron Home and AKG K-701, but that's all they really seem to do: get loud. The M-stage, on the other hand, gets loud but has much better control, which comes through with characteristics like deeper, tighter bass but also "fuller" transients, like the plucking of a guitar string that you can sort of "feel" (if that makes any sense).

I know exactly what you mean and this narrows down to an amp's ability to drive headphones. Yesterday I actually did a similar post elsewhere :)

Here I mean an amp in control of headphones so that they push a lot of air very effortlessly. This gets us tight accurate bass and overall nimble feel which acoustic guitars show very well.
 
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Sep 30, 2021 at 5:09 AM Post #2,183 of 2,668
overall nimble feel
Yes, that's precisely it! The Amiron Home with the M-stage feels effortless and nimble, even at low volume levels.
 
Sep 30, 2021 at 6:24 AM Post #2,184 of 2,668
Yes, that's precisely it! The Amiron Home with the M-stage feels effortless and nimble, even at low volume levels.

I'm glad that I could help out in wording that sensation :D

Enjoy your audio setup and once again thanks for having nano iDSD BL still around :wink:
 
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Sep 30, 2021 at 8:23 AM Post #2,185 of 2,668
I'm glad that I could help out in wording that sensation :D

Enjoy your audio setup and once again thanks for having nano iDSD BL still around :wink:
The Nano BL is a really wonderful piece of gear. I rate the sound quality on par with the Capella. I would use the Nano by itself, but I also have a turntable in that system, so the Nano is serving DAC duty into the Capella.
 
Oct 24, 2021 at 2:43 PM Post #2,187 of 2,668
btw just to update my previous post, the Amiron has either opened up a bit now or I'm just getting more used to the sound (or both) as I am very pleased with them. I've listened to more music and I think they are just revealing more how the recordings were made and produced. I listen to FLAC 16bit/CD quality usually. So Future Islands and Perfume Genius the vocals are distant in some tracks, that's more how it was made to sound and produced.

As a side note I didn't get on well with Rega IO unfortunately, I had 3 sent and they all had a slight hum sound through speakers and headphones, not a ground loop either as it was doing it without a source even plugged in. You name it I tried it. I went with a second hand Cambridge CXA60 which sounds great, probably not needed for headphones as the Chord Mojo is doing a pretty good job. The CXA60 does toslink x2 for TV/MiSTer and if I want to output Mojo to speakers. That amp sounds great, but the unit itself has slight transformer hum lol so I can't win on the amp front at the moment. But as that's only when the speakers are on that's actually not too bad. I've plenty of ideas for future upgrades :)

But happy with the Amirons!
 
Oct 31, 2021 at 7:32 AM Post #2,189 of 2,668
Last night another about 3 hours of enjoyment out of Amiron Home with a different amp. Not trashing 6XX but I couldn't imagine myself doing so with that headphone.
Yes, details in bass and energy are great. Different than Argon but in good ways. I am going to listen 6XX today to decide whether it is finally the time to say goodbye to it. I always thought there was something that I am missing or not doing it right on my parts but I now think 6XX might not be for me after all. There is no reason to keep it if that is the case and my daily would be Amiron Home.
Some says Beyer headphones need a long break-in periods and if that is the case, oh what easter eggs this thing will bring to me 😄

Ah, you're not the only one. A lot of people feel that HD600/650 are a reference for midrange but I think it's just wayyyyy too forward and together with the narrow soundstage it's so fatiguing to me. I was never able to listen to my HD650's for longer than an hour without getting absolutely tired of it. The way Beyer does midrange on the Dt880 for instance to me is much more balanced and closer to a neutral sound. But I had been used to Sennheisers for so long that when I heard the DT880 for the first time, I just couldn't believe how airy and spacious the sound was, it was an entirely new thing for me. I knew then that my music needed to have those qualities to some extent going forward.

I guess we all hear differently, to end with a platitude :wink:
 
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Oct 31, 2021 at 9:46 AM Post #2,190 of 2,668
I find my enjoyment of music is about the same with Amiron Home as it is with my summit level cans, perhaps more on some tracks? Beyerdynamic is the only brand I own three of, T1.3 Amiron, Xelento.
Same here. Amiron Home, Amiron Wireless, T5p.2 and Tygr 300R. I had the DT880 and 770 but had to sell them because no space.

Ah, you're not the only one. A lot of people feel that HD600/650 are a reference for midrange but I think it's just wayyyyy too forward and together with the narrow soundstage it's so fatiguing to me. I was never able to listen to my HD650's for longer than an hour without getting absolutely tired of it. The way Beyer does midrange on the Dt880 for instance to me is much more balanced and closer to a neutral sound. But I had been used to Sennheisers for so long that when I heard the DT880 for the first time, I just couldn't believe how airy and spacious the sound was, it was an entirely new thing for me. I knew then that my music needed to have those qualities to some extent going forward.

I guess we all hear differently, to end with a platitude :wink:
So it was not me thinking the HD560S has a narrow soundstage. I had the same issues and then at some point I really got tired of it and got rid of it.
 

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