Beyerdynamic Amiron Home (the new T90)

[kman1211]

I own the DT1990. I have read that the capsules of the Amiron come from the DT1770, the capsules of DT1990 and DT1770 are not quite the same.
Now my question is, can you achieve approximately the same sound as the Amiron on the DT1990 with the pads + absorber discs from the Amiron?

(capsules = drivers = system set)

https://www.beyerdynamic.de/system-set-dt-1990.html
DT 1990 PRO
Item number 916825

https://www.beyerdynamic.de/tesla-system-set-250-ohm.html
Amiron home, DT 1770 PRO
Item number 916315

I’ve swapped the two drivers and pads in the past and they do in fact sound different and no it doesn’t sound quite the same with the Amiron drivers and pads in the DT 1990 body. The absorber discs are the same on the DT 1770/1990 and Amiron Home. The Amiron Wireless is the one with different absorber discs.

 

[FritzS]

What are the benefits of Amiron Wireless absorber discs on a DT1990? 8kHz peak flattened?
Must try to get an Amiron Home for testing.

 

[kman1211]

What are the benefits of Amiron Wireless absorber discs on a DT1990? 8kHz peak flattened?
Must try to get an Amiron Home for testing.

Not sure exactly as I haven’t tried them before. I do assume it tames the peak some.

 

[FritzS]

Now I hear with DT1990 music without any sibilants! Sound engineers have done their job properly! And that with female voices.

Meyer Records Vol.2
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/Meyer-Records-Vol-2/hnum/7550358

 

[Rob80b]

New satisfying combo, Amiron Home with the Sennheiser HDVD800, up until now I've been using the Bryston BHA1 but recently moved things around.
As has been rumoured the Senn amp has been optimized for higher impedance phones, the Beyerdynamic is no exception.

 

[FritzS]

I own a DT1990 and listen with balanced pads.
What is really the difference between DT1990, Amiron, T1?
DT1990 balanced pads are nearest to Harman Target
Which listening experience have you with this three headphones?

Judging by the frequency response alone, the DT1990 with balanced pads (except for the 8 kHz peak) appears to be the best tuned.
T1 has the largest outliers to the Harman Traget, Amiron is roughly in the centre.

Amiron Home

DT1990 balanced pads

T1 3rd version

 

[kman1211]

I own a DT1990 and listen with balanced pads.
What is really the difference between DT1990, Amiron, T1?
DT1990 balanced pads are nearest to Harman Target
Which listening experience have you with this three headphones?

Amiron Home


DT1990 balanced pads


T1 3rd version

On the T1.3 the mid-bass and upper bass isn’t as extreme as the measurements indicate nor is the upper mids as recessed as it comes off as in the graphs. Due to the steeply angled driver and concha gain the upper mids are actually more prominent than shown in the measurements. I find the T1.3 has more present upper mids than the HD 660S2 and is only slightly warmer sounding than the Senns.

The DT 1990 with the balanced pads has the punchiest bass of the bunch. It does have the strongest treble which shows in the measurements. The DT 1990 is the driest sounding of the three. The Amiron Home is the most liquid sounding of the 3. The T1.3 is between the DT 1990 and Amiron Home in terms of dryness/liquid sound. The bass on the T1.3 is soft yet prominent, enveloping, dynamic yet controlled; it’s a rather unique bass presentation.

Resolution wise the T1.3 is the most resolving and has the most information in its sound. Imaging is the best of the three and soundstage is the widest/deepest of the three. The DT 1990 and Amiron Home are quite close though the DT 1990 is more upfront with detail whereas the Amiron Home is more relaxed.

 

[FritzS]

Is the extra cost of Amiron on T1 worth it?
There is currently a special offer on the T1, but Amiron Home € 499,- / T1 € 799,-

And I would still have AKG K812 and Austrian.Audio Composer in the Upper Class available. But they have different frequency responses.

As far as the DT1990 Beyer Peak is concerned, this is only noticeable with a few pieces of music. In contrast, just -2 dB at 8kHz with the Mac's own 31-band EQ is sufficient.

DT1990 balanced pads bass and mids is a step towards Amiron Home.
DT1990 analytic pads bass and mids more in the direction of Austrian Audio Composer

 

[roderickvd]

Agreeing with everything that @kman1211 said. Know that the FR graphs don't do enough justice to tell them apart. The Amiron Home is much more liquid and intimate, the T1 has much more micro-detail and headstage.

 

[kman1211]

Is the extra cost of Amiron on T1 worth it?
There is currently a special offer on the T1, but Amiron Home € 499,- / T1 € 799,-

And I would still have AKG K812 and Austrian.Audio Composer in the Upper Class available. But they have different frequency responses.

As far as the DT1990 Beyer Peak is concerned, this is only noticeable with a few pieces of music. In contrast, just -2 dB at 8kHz with the Mac's own 31-band EQ is sufficient.

If you like the unique warm sound signature of the T1.3, I’d say yes. If the T1 sound isn’t your cup of tea, then no. It’s one of those headphones you have to spend some time with to see if you like it sadly. While its my favorite headphone, it’s hard for me to outright recommend it as it’s a love/hate headphone among audiophiles.

 

[Rob80b]

I own a DT1990 and listen with balanced pads.
What is really the difference between DT1990, Amiron, T1?
DT1990 balanced pads are nearest to Harman Target
Which listening experience have you with this three headphones?

This is my 1st Beyerdynamic but kman1211apears to have summed it up.

The Amiron Home is the most liquid sounding of the 3.

Have not heard the other 2 but the Amiron currently comes across like that.

And I would still have AKG K812

The Amiron and K812 IMHO are at polar opposites in tonality but both uniquely satisfying in their own way.

Audio Composer in the Upper Class available. But they have different frequency responses.

Not overly compelled to get the Composer but still curious as to how they sound,
If anything I'll probably grab a pair of Grell's OAE1s if and when they are released.

 

[oldson]

anyone tried dekoni elite hybrid pads on the Amiron.
i have also removed the foam insert , personally i think its improved them massively.
before they were not a good match with my Icon HP8, ie toooooooooo warm and rolled off in the treble.
now, to my ears, they are vastly improved.
also planning to try the "fuzzy" pads from JM audio

 

[Rob80b]

anyone tried dekoni elite hybrid pads on the Amiron.

Not the Dekoni but did try some leather, perforated and non perforated.
All pads will contribute to different sound characteristics, so if one does not like the stock signature it's the way to go, as I've a few phones on hand I'm now back with the stock pads to hear them as Beyerdynamic intended. Comfort mind you is another issue and a change of pads might be a compromise to achieve the proper fit.

 

[FritzS]

DT 1990 PRO - now tested alternating analytical pads versus balanced pads (as quickly as I could change if I only have one pad clamping ring on the headphones, it's not always that easy, sometimes bounces out of the groove. I also need to practise threading them at the beginning).

Listened to a few pieces of music. Quintessence, I like the music playback with analytic pads a little better, especially female voices sound more natural and not bloated in the lower range.

As I am also considering buying the Amiron Home, I would probably not be entirely satisfied with it if I compare the frequency responses of the DT 1990 PRO analytic pads, DT 1990 PRO balanced pads and Amiron Home (measured values from solderdude, Oratory1990). Amiron Home shows an even larger ‘hump’ between 100 and 500 Hz, deviating strongly from the Harmon Target there. This makes the lower frequencies in vocals stand out unnaturally.

EQ was set to flat during the test.

What do you think about?

PS: I post this in DTT1990 & Amiron Home thread.

 

[FritzS]

Beyerdynamic Amiron Home versus DT1990 Pro
The package with the Beyerdynamic Amiron Home just arrived today, sounds a little different to the DT1990 Pro (with analytic pads).
I have to wait until it's burned in, which means that the pads have adapted to the shape of my head.

It still works, a little fuller, warmer than the DT1990, BeyerPeak not noticeable (EQ on flat).
Amiron doesn't have as fine a resolution as a scalpel (domain of the K812, Composer, DT1990) - a little more pleasant for long-term music, room and stage seem a little closer, more intimate.

There's nothing wrong with the workmanship. The housing is mostly made of plastic, which is normal in this price range. Fit (contact pressure) lighter than DT1990 Pro, Composer. Still sits firmly and doesn't slip when head moves.
Amiron pads are covered in more velvet than the two sets of the DT1990 Pro. Foam is not as soft and supple as the analytic pads of the DT1990 Pro. Could change over time (and it already is).

A second, shorter cable would be a hit for Amiron, Beyerdynamic only offers the much more expensive T1.3 / T5.3.

This is just a first impression of Amiron, without a longer break-in.

Music: Allan Tailor, All Is One; various tracks by Pink Floyd, Grateful Dread,

PS: For the direct comparison, it is good that my headphone amplifier Austrian.Audio Full Score one has two headphone jacks and the two headphones have almost identical sensitivity, so you can switch quickly.

Summary:
Of course, the Austrian.Audio Composer headphones offer more fine resolution, fine dynamics, neutrality, airiness, separation between artists, etc., which is to be expected given the price difference.
If you are looking for mid-range headphones for little money, you should also consider these two Beyerdynamics. Everyone has to decide for themselves what they like.

If I have any new information, I will add it.