[acia]

Ldac is nice. Agreed. But half of us are on Ios and I'd be surprised if my ears could tell the difference between LDAC and AAC over something like Tidal HiFi.

Trouble is ldac is a road of no return .

Thus, I said despite quite a bit of issues with mobius, would anyone be so kind as to letting us know there is better option please?

 

[Zenvota]

Ldac is nice. Agreed. But half of us are on Ios and I'd be surprised if my ears could tell the difference between LDAC and AAC over something like Tidal HiFi.

Its a crystal clear difference ;]

 

[scarfacegt]

The mobius sounds fantastic with tidal and ldac.My favorite is the warm setting.I also look forward til it gets true-fi support.

 

[acia]

The mobius sounds fantastic with tidal and ldac.My favorite is the warm setting.I also look forward til it gets true-fi support.

What is true to plsple?

 

[Jabba]

https://www.sonarworks.com/truefi
Still waiting for support to try it, someone want to share some experiences with other hp?

 

[overhaze]

Does the Mobius need True-Fi support? It already has a very flat flat mode.

 

[Zenvota]

Does the Mobius need True-Fi support? It already has a very flat flat mode.

Not in an uncompensated sense, even the Music preset still has an 8db bump at 3khz

 

[Deders]

Edit: worked through this in the following posts, found it wasn't the case.

Not in an uncompensated sense, even the Music preset still has an 8db bump at 3khz

Omg you are right!

I had looked at the charts at the beginning and thought the boost was at 4.5khz and made a small dip in my EQ to compensate, but it still sounded boxy, like the sound was confined. (When using stereo mode)

I've just cut 3khz by 8db instead, with 0.25 bandwidth in neutrons EQ and they sound so much more natural and roomy. I'm going to have to go back and re-listen to some things.

I wonder if the 3khz boost helps the 3d effect when in 3D mode?

Edit: make that 0.6 bandwidth....

 

[scarfacegt]

My little experience with the true-fi app,is that it really works.Have tried it on focal elear,sony wh900,shure se215.The sound is really good.But i dont always use it when listening to edm.Then i love a little boost in bass.

 

[acia]

My little experience with the true-fi app,is that it really works.Have tried it on focal elear,sony wh900,shure se215.The sound is really good.But i dont always use it when listening to edm.Then i love a little boost in bass.

shure 215?! gosh!

 

[KMann]

Hey @Audeze and @KMann , unfortunately I still made no progress with this, would really appretiate your help!

Please PM the details of who you were corresponding with.

 

[KMann]

Omg you are right!

I had looked at the charts at the beginning and thought the boost was at 4.5khz and made a small dip in my EQ to compensate, but it still sounded boxy, like the sound was confined. (When using stereo mode)

I've just cut 3khz by 8db instead, with 0.25 bandwidth in neutrons EQ and they sound so much more natural and roomy. I'm going to have to go back and re-listen to some things.

I wonder if the 3khz boost helps the 3d effect when in 3D mode?

Edit: make that 0.6 bandwidth....

You may have misunderstood what @Zenvota implied. You do not want the raw measurements to look flat. Having a peak near 3kHz up to 15dB (depending on rig used) is perfectly normal. Cutting it by 8dB would make mids sound very recessed and hollow.

BTW which measurments are you referring to, the one I posted earlier on in this thread?

 

[Deders]

You may have misunderstood what @Zenvota implied. You do not want the raw measurements to look flat. Having a peak near 3kHz up to 15dB (depending on rig used) is perfectly normal. Cutting it by 8dB would make mids sound very recessed and hollow.

BTW which measurments are you referring to, the one I posted earlier on in this thread?

I was referring to the charts on the first page of this thread that have a boost at around 4,5Khz, could you point me to the charts you posted?

We should probably clarify I'm talking about 2D mode here, I'm using LDAC Bluetooth in 96Khz mode from my android. 3D mode from my computer sounds fine without EQ (although I wouldn't mind a little more bass)

People have described these phones as treble forward, and compared to other phones I've used I'm inclined to agree.

I've been looking for a way to make them sound less harsh, I had concluded that it was somewhere in the lower treble/upper mids.

With the 3Khz cut I described above, music sounds less nasally, cymbals sound more like they should, the soundstage is better separated, Music sounds much more in line with headpones/speakers I've been using for years.

It's still not quite perfect with every song, I am adjusting the bandwith as I go and hoping not to lose to much in the process, whilst bearing in mind that I'm not used to as much sparkle in the upper treble (which I shouldn't be affecting)

This is my experience so far, I am all ears for any advice you may have. I should note my background is in music and recording.

Edit:. Forgot to mention the bass now has more impact now that 3Khz isn't accented.

 

[Zenvota]

Omg you are right!

I had looked at the charts at the beginning and thought the boost was at 4.5khz and made a small dip in my EQ to compensate, but it still sounded boxy, like the sound was confined. (When using stereo mode)

I've just cut 3khz by 8db instead, with 0.25 bandwidth in neutrons EQ and they sound so much more natural and roomy. I'm going to have to go back and re-listen to some things.

I wonder if the 3khz boost helps the 3d effect when in 3D mode?

Edit: make that 0.6 bandwidth....

You may have misunderstood what @Zenvota implied. You do not want the raw measurements to look flat. Having a peak near 3kHz up to 15dB (depending on rig used) is perfectly normal. Cutting it by 8dB would make mids sound very recessed and hollow.

BTW which measurments are you referring to, the one I posted earlier on in this thread?

I was referring to the charts on the first page of this thread that have a boost at around 4,5Khz, could you point me to the charts you posted?

We should probably clarify I'm talking about 2D mode here, I'm using LDAC Bluetooth in 96Khz mode from my android. 3D mode from my computer sounds fine without EQ (although I wouldn't mind a little more bass)

People have described these phones as treble forward, and compared to other phones I've used I'm inclined to agree.

I've been looking for a way to make them sound less harsh, I had concluded that it was somewhere in the lower treble/upper mids.

With the 3Khz cut I described above, music sounds less nasally, cymbals sound more like they should, the soundstage is better separated, Music sounds much more in line with headpones/speakers I've been using for years.

It's still not quite perfect with every song, I am adjusting the bandwith as I go and hoping not to lose to much in the process, whilst bearing in mind that I'm not used to as much sparkle in the upper treble (which I shouldn't be affecting)

This is my experience so far, I am all ears for any advice you may have. I should note my background is in music and recording.

Hmm, interesting. I'm still using the music preset and eqing the 3khz area down 5db, only when using 3d mode with room ambience at about 30. When listening to stereo headphones normally, no dsp etc., I find I don't need to equalize several headphones that have a curve with 3khz up 10db, the HD650s, EL-8s, Alpha Primes, and HE-400i. I also have a few IEMS that play dead flat uncompensated that I enjoy the sound of as well. I really only ever use EQ when using convolution. As I said when using the Mobius that eq looks similar to the response of the Shure 535, flat and 3khz up 3-5db. When using PRIR convolution, however, that EQ gets much more drastic, shooting for at least a flat uncompensated response, and to be honest I think I might be rolling off over 2khz by about 5db.

Here's the EQ when using OOYH for

Spoiler: Stax SR-207

O.o

Super muffled but click on the prir convolution and bam, super detailed. So ya, very interesting that you prefer a flatter response for normal stereo and a brighter curve for convolution.

Spoiler: Here's the EQ I use with the Mobius with the Music Preset

And here's the Mobius' frequency response.

 

[Deders]

Hmm, interesting. I'm still using the music preset and eqing the 3khz area down 5db, only when using 3d mode with room ambience at about 30. When listening to stereo headphones normally, no dsp etc., I find I don't need to equalize several headphones that have a curve with 3khz up 10db, the HD650s, EL-8s, Alpha Primes, and HE-400i. I also have a few IEMS that play dead flat uncompensated that I enjoy the sound of as well. I really only ever use EQ when using convolution. As I said when using the Mobius that eq looks similar to the response of the Shure 535, flat and 3khz up 3-5db. When using PRIR convolution, however, that EQ gets much more drastic, shooting for at least a flat uncompensated response, and to be honest I think I might be rolling off over 2khz by about 5db.

Here's the EQ when using OOYH for

Spoiler: Stax SR-207

O.o

Super muffled but click on the prir convolution and bam, super detailed. So ya, very interesting that you prefer a flatter response for normal stereo and a brighter curve for convolution.

Spoiler: Here's the EQ I use with the Mobius with the Music Preset

And here's the Mobius' frequency response.

I guess I prefer a mostly flat response? I had no idea that people made headphones with such a huge curve. Any idea why?

I did notice without the EQ that some picked electric guitar notes sounded more like they would if they were coming out of an amplifier (as if I was in the room), but only some, and only if I played them on the G string, and even then only through certain amps. This can't be the only reason!

I haven't tried EQing games, The Mobius are already very detailed, but I might try experimenting now you've shown me the 3Khz isn't necesary.

Thanks for the graph, it looks like I can be more confident in widening bandwidth, very helpful.