Audeze LCD-1
Oct 19, 2019 at 4:38 PM Post #181 of 1,085
That ongoing urge to compare the LCD-1 with the Mobius makes me wonder if a sealed version is eventually gonna happen. Closed-back headphones have a tangible benefit in the studio as well, not just in portable use-cases...
 
Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Post #182 of 1,085
@trellus Beat me to it.
The only thing I would add is if you just want a complete package and do not want to invest in a DAC or amp I would recommend Mobius even if you do not wish to use any of the 3D features, Mobius is fully capable of delivering a neutral sound (in more than one flavor).

On the other hand LCD1 is the better choice if you want maximum flexibility in terms of the source you want to use. LCD1 is also lighter than Mobius if that is a factor. LCD1 is open vs Mobius is closed which will be a factor if isolation and leakage are important. LCD1 will provide a larger sound stage compared to Mobius if you turn off 3D processing in Mobius but Mobius will sound larger with 3D processing on.
 
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Oct 19, 2019 at 4:52 PM Post #183 of 1,085
I wonder how these LCD-1's compare to the Sendy Aiva. Seems like they have the potential to match the Aiva on its merits (treble) while also improving upon the issue some people have with the Aiva (the less than stellar bass extension and detail).

I've been very interested in the Aiva, but they've always seemed slightly overpriced to me. $400 for the LCD-1 is much more palatable.

Metal571 said that he has someone the Monoprice M570 on the way to review. That has the same driver as the family of the Aiva, Blon B???, and Takstar variant. The Monoprice is only $300. Look up the review by JDM WAAT on YouTube. It's one of the only ones out there at the moment. Looking forward to Metal's comparison with the lcd-1.
 
Oct 19, 2019 at 5:20 PM Post #184 of 1,085
That ongoing urge to compare the LCD-1 with the Mobius makes me wonder if a sealed version is eventually gonna happen. Closed-back headphones have a tangible benefit in the studio as well, not just in portable use-cases...

Oh, I bet there's a closed LCD-1 (LCD-1C? :D) coming down the pike, maybe summer 2020, assuming the LCD-1 does well, and I anticipate it will. :) . I agree with you, @PopZeus, there are definite benefits to closed cans, particularly in the studio, that justifies a LCD-1 closed since it has a different use case than wireless / gaming / active-only Mobius closed planar headphones.
 
Oct 19, 2019 at 5:33 PM Post #185 of 1,085
That ongoing urge to compare the LCD-1 with the Mobius makes me wonder if a sealed version is eventually gonna happen. Closed-back headphones have a tangible benefit in the studio as well, not just in portable use-cases...
Oh, I think the eventual release of a closed-back version of the LCD-1 will come as a surprise to absolutely no one! :sunglasses:
 
Oct 19, 2019 at 6:12 PM Post #186 of 1,085
FullBright1, you see, Metal571 had the nicest things to say about the treble and Audeze, in trying to convince people to buy their headphones, decided to use the most positive blurb from the review. The only thing that this implies is that the LCD-1 has really good treble.

The Audeze house sound is many things, but it is certainly not focused on treble. I seriously doubt that they would try to use the marketing campaign for one of their cheapest products to redefine "reference" in such a way that their headphones generally, including the flagship, would not qualify as reference. That would be very damaging to the marketing of those other headphones. You are simply reading way too much into a one sentence blurb and not reading enough out of the lengthy, articulate, detailed review that Metal571 has done. Save us all some time and just watch the damn thing instead of speculating nonsensically based on the merest scrap of subjective impressions.
 
Oct 19, 2019 at 6:58 PM Post #187 of 1,085
When they are available in europe i wanna try them as soon as possible.
With E1DA Pdv2 an Neutral Headphone is what i want and in the review its said the bass is not extreme.. well i can eq bass but i cant make it more detailed.. sounds really interesting!
Thanks for this interesting review @metal571 you hit the spots that interest me!
 
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Oct 19, 2019 at 7:25 PM Post #188 of 1,085
>>reading way too much into a one sentence blurb
Did not realize the blurbs we put on the site are analyzed to this detail. We added a few more comments. Probably next week we should get more impressions. We got a lot of amazing feedback from AES New York the last few days as well.
 
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Oct 19, 2019 at 10:04 PM Post #189 of 1,085
>>reading way too much into a one sentence blurb
Did not realize the blurbs we put on the site are analyzed to this detail. We added a few more comments. Probably next week we should get more impressions. We got a lot of amazing feedback from AES New York the last few days as well.
I am quite confident that this is going to be a special headphone, esp. for the money.
 
Oct 19, 2019 at 11:38 PM Post #190 of 1,085
Today, Audeze is launching the superb, affordable Audeze LCD-1. Now if you've been around this hobby since 2009, then that "LCD-1" name might confuse you for a moment. Back at CanJam Los Angeles 2009, Audeze made its debut by shoehorning their planar magnetic drivers into a generic-looking Nady headphone chassis -- and Audeze called this frankenphone the Audeze LCD-1. Thankfully, that LCD-1 sounded far better than it looked, impressing many of the show's attendees, myself included. While Audeze has come a long long way in the ten years since, it was this OG LCD-1 that really started it all for Audeze.


(Above) The original Audeze LCD-1 that launched Audeze at CanJam LA 2009.

While the Audeze LCD-2 Classic launched last year was intended to evoke the sound of the original LCD-2 launched in 2010, the Audeze LCD-1 launching today shares only its name with the Nady-framed Audeze prototype from ten years ago. Today's LCD-1 is a far better headphone than its namesake, and, depending on what you're looking for, may be the top $399 open-back circumaural (around-the-ear) headphone available today. I also think this new LCD-1 -- which, from now on, unless otherwise noted, is the LCD-1 I'm referring to when I say "LCD-1" -- will prove a very significant headphone in the years to come (which I'll explain momentarily).



The Audeze LCD-1 is a planar magnetic headphone and uses a single-sided Fluxor magnet array. It also uses Audeze's Fazor waveguide technology, designed to reduce wave interference and optimize phase. The LCD-1's 90mm diaphragm is Audeze's Ultra-thin Uniforce design, and nominal impedance is listed as only 13.5 ohms. It is also a reasonably sensitive headphone, the pre-production unit we have reaching 90 dBSPL at 1 kHz with just a tick over 50 mV. (A production unit is on its way to us now, and I'll post measurements of the LCD-1 once I've measured (and listened to) that unit.)

As around-the-ear headphones go, the Audeze LCD-1 is on the smaller side, and it folds very compactly into its very nice included nylon semi-hardside carrying case. The included 2-meter cable is a premium braided design, terminated in a stereo 3.5mm miniplug with 1/4" adapter included. The LCD-1 is also very light weight, weighing just 250 grams (8.8 ounces). Audeze obviously intended for this headphone to be taken places.

The Audeze LCD-1 is priced at just $399, and it's marvelous at that price.



The first time I heard the LCD-1 was this summer in San Francisco, when Audeze's CEO Sankar Thiagasamudram met with me the day before the AES International Conference on Headphone Technology we were attending. Sankar is a very calm, very chill gentleman. However, in San Francisco when we met, he was uncharacteristically excited to have me hear the LCD-1.

Upon holding the LCD-1, my first impression was that it's is one of the nicest looking headphones Audeze's produced, in terms of how all the lines and shapes come together. I love the bigger Audeze LCD headphones, but they're still based on the LCD-2 design that started when Audeze was a much younger company -- for me, aesthetically, the larger LCD models' appeal is purely utilitarian, and has much to do with history, nostalgia. The LCD-1's makeup is a thoroughly modern design that has clearly-from-Audeze design elements -- namely the grille design with its leaning-in A-shaped stanchions. But the whole thing feels as-one, not several assembled pieces.



I was also taken with how lightweight it felt, first in the hands, and most importantly on my head. With only 250 grams to distribute, Audeze designed beautiful genuine lambskin earpads and headband padding that render it nearly weightless on my head. I want to mention, though, that part of the price you pay for this kind of light weight (not to mention the low cost of acquisition) is a headphone that feels rather like the plastic it's made of.

Another cautionary note is its "around-the-ear" description. While the LCD-1 is a circumaural (around-the-ear) design, it's definitely on the smaller side of that. My very averaged sized ears do touch the soft pads on the inside, but the soft hand of the lambskin makes it not just tolerable for me, but comfortable. My head is on the larger side, and the LCD-1 headband's caliper pressure feels assured but not clampy, thank goodness. This is a very comfortable headphone, but it may be less so for those who have larger ears.



In terms of sound quality, I was a couple of my reference songs into listening when I paused the music, looked up at Sankar and said, "This would be an exceptional open-back studio headphone." Sankar mentioned they very much had this in mind for the LCD-1.

There is no question that this little Audeze LCD-1 is going to be one of my neutral reference headphones, independent of price. As I've said many times before, given differences in preferences, subjectivity, and our own unique personal responses with different headphones, there is not a singular target that represents perfectly what neutral is for everyone with headphones. There is a sort of range within which neutral-ish exists, and the Audeze LCD-1 sits firmly through the center of that range. It's not neutral but with a bit of bass emphasis -- it's just neutral. It's not neutral with a hint of midrange bloom -- it's just neutral. It's not neutral but a little bright -- the LCD-1 is, to my ears, just neutral.



It is because of its neutrality that this headphone is a wonderful sonic palate cleanser. The likelihood that your main headphone or earphone is as color-free as the LCD-1 is probably low. I tend to prefer reference-type signatures with bass emphasis. If the headphone doesn't have that bass emphasis, I'm not shy about EQ'ing it in with the parametric equalizer in Roon. But it's nice sometimes to, again, clear the sonic palate -- to re-align my ears with neutral. If you can do that -- and enjoy the sound of the neutral headphone in question -- then you've really got something. And I really enjoy the sound of the Audeze LCD-1.

Again, I won't be posting measurements of this pre-production unit (but will have measurements of the production unit very soon), but I did measure it. I expect it to be similar or identical to the production unit, and I'll say that its frequency response is as neutral looking as it is neutral sounding. What I love about the LCD-1, though, is that its very extended bass response gives this headphone enough bass presence and tactility to satisfy me most of the time even for general listening, after I've re-aligned my ears away from my typical audiophile-type mild-basshead tendencies. Neutral, yes -- but gorgeous bass presence.



The LCD-1's midband and treble are also smooth and edge-free. This lack of sharpness doesn't mean lack of detail -- just lack of stridency, no harshness. This is a quality that gives it a sense of body through the mids and treble -- yes, I think treble can have a sense of body, of corporeality, but, for my tastes, that sense of what's real up-top can be robbed by shrillness. The LCD-1 has none of that.

It is in the LCD-1's mids and treble that some of us who are used to ultra-high-end headphones (like Audeze's own higher-end LCD models) might be a little wanting. Again, the LCD-1 is very detailed, but it's not the most incisive, detail-uncloaking headphone you've heard if you're used to an LCD-4 or HiFiMAN SUSVARA or STAX electrostatic. These are perhaps unfair comparisons, but my point is that it's going to take a higher-end headphone -- something well above $399 -- to resolutely out-resolve the LCD-1 overall.



Now earlier I said I think the Audeze LCD-1 is going to be a very significant headphone in the years to come, and here's why: I can't think of a headphone at or under the LCD-1's price that would be a more revealing, more neutral, open-back studio monitor headphone. If you visit recording studios and see any open-back headphones, there's a very solid chance it'll be the Sennheiser HD600 or HD650. The HD600/650 is without a doubt an open-back studio standard. The thing is, in my opinion, the Audeze LCD-1 is far better suited to studio use for all the aforementioned reasons than the Sennheiser HD600 or HD650. At its price, with its compactness and carryability, and especially with its brand of neutrality, I think we may be looking at the future open-back studio headphone standard with the Audeze LCD-1. (I'll try to get some same-session measurements of the LCD-1 and Sennheiser HD600/650 soon and post them.)



The Audeze LCD-1 is an artful, carefully executed distillation of all Audeze has learned in the past ten years, crammed into an affordable, lightweight, portable, neutrally-voiced, open-back planar magnetic wonder. With its name, this headphone poetically evokes memories of that cobbled-together Audeze LCD-1 shown at CanJam LA ten years ago, but only as an homage. The name is all these two headphones share, and I think as a sort of ten-year celebration, it was lovely to go back to "LCD-1."

Can't wait for a closed back version!
 
Oct 20, 2019 at 1:00 AM Post #191 of 1,085
@FullBright1 I believe Audeze uses the term ‘Reference Series’ to imply that the frequency response is neutral and suitable for studio/professional work. I’m sure it will punch well above it’s price point, but I think you are misinterpreting the use of the word ‘reference’ in this case.
 
Oct 20, 2019 at 3:52 AM Post #192 of 1,085
The Aiva surprised me and not in a particularly positive way. I never looked too deeply into people's reviews or thoughts of the Aiva, but to my understanding there were several (some prominent) who absolutely loved the Aiva and recommended it with enthusiasm. For that reason, I was expecting something much better -- my conclusion was that its bass was limp with weak dynamics, midrange was very weird, but the treble was quite nice with good resolution. I am surprised that so many people are happy trading off more than half of the spectrum for a pleasant top end and build quality (as someone who prioritizes tonality over technicality, I'd probably take the Sundara over the Aiva in this case -- also mid-tier planar that has nice treble IMO).

I am hoping the LCD-1 pulls through with great treble, so that people won't have to settle for the Aiva :wink:
 
Oct 20, 2019 at 4:36 AM Post #193 of 1,085
Is there any difference in earpad size between the Mobius and LCD-1? I liked the Mobius sound best out of all the Audeze headphones I've ever tried, but two things absolutely killed it for me: the cheap, rubberized plastic and the too-small earpads. Thankfully no rubberized plastic on the LCD-1, but are the pads about the same size? I'm very interested in the LCD-1 but pretty sure the ear pad size will kill it for me. The smallest pads that somewhat comfortable fit me are those on full sized Beyerdynamics or a Sennheiser HD6xx.
 
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Oct 20, 2019 at 12:52 PM Post #194 of 1,085
Oct 20, 2019 at 1:04 PM Post #195 of 1,085
So is the LCD-1 a studio monitor headphone or?

Anyone knows if the pads big like the LCD or on ear?
 

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