AKG K3003 High End 3 Way System Headphone
Feb 3, 2015 at 12:09 PM Post #2,281 of 4,058
I have a HM901, but I am not a big fan of it. SQ is ok, but I don't think its portable enough for me. The volume dial adjusts in steps and I cannot get a comfortable volume level with it. Synergy could be better too maybe.

Don't get me wrong though, it's a great DAP that pairs fantastically with my full size headphones...but I will never use those headphones on the go.

synergy is fine , DX90 is a neutral/balanced/airy/detailed DAP so the pairing is fine - i don't really need to use my arrow - i used it mostly with the 600(to bump the highs) or the 272 (to beef up the lows)


which DAP are you using ? you should check out the dx9, for 400$ it's quite good :p
 
Feb 3, 2015 at 12:36 PM Post #2,282 of 4,058
I have a HM901, but I am not a big fan of it. SQ is ok, but I don't think its portable enough for me. The volume dial adjusts in steps and I cannot get a comfortable volume level with it. Synergy could be better too maybe.

Don't get me wrong though, it's a great DAP that pairs fantastically with my full size headphones...but I will never use those headphones on the go.

then why spend so much on them? 
 
there are far more headphones than iems at this price that are better... like hd800, or ultrasone signature..
 
i want to buy something like this to use portable. that would be so much fun!
 
Feb 3, 2015 at 9:10 PM Post #2,283 of 4,058
  then why spend so much on them? 
 
there are far more headphones than iems at this price that are better... like hd800, or ultrasone signature..
 
i want to buy something like this to use portable. that would be so much fun!

 
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Feb 3, 2015 at 11:22 PM Post #2,285 of 4,058
Warranty is for 2 years. 
 
Feb 3, 2015 at 11:49 PM Post #2,287 of 4,058
I'm going through my warrenty card and I can't find any info on the number of years the k3003i are covered for? Anyone have any info on what kind of coverage they have?

 
just to be on the safe side - the buying receipt works like a warranty, right ?

what is the warranty card you are talking about ?
 
Feb 4, 2015 at 10:10 AM Post #2,288 of 4,058
Just got my 3003 without mic. I love it. No more annoying bulky mic hanging on the cable. Now everything is perfect: the sound, the fit, the comfort. More expensive, though. Well, if you want it perfect, you have to pay for it. And it has such a sweet synergy with Sony A17 DAP. 
The ultimate portable rig.
 
Feb 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM Post #2,289 of 4,058
  Just got my 3003 without mic. I love it. No more annoying bulky mic hanging on the cable. Now everything is perfect: the sound, the fit, the comfort. More expensive, though. Well, if you want it perfect, you have to pay for it. And it has such a sweet synergy with Sony A17 DAP. 
The ultimate portable rig.

 
congrats - as for the price , i found it a small price to pay for something which acts in my brain(and ears) like a combination of Prozac and Viagra
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Feb 4, 2015 at 11:45 AM Post #2,291 of 4,058
'a lot of talk' is an exaggerated phrase , imo
 
5 people said they heard 'it', and the remaining 95 we found the K3003 fantastic

i would go with the laws of chances here
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Feb 4, 2015 at 11:46 AM Post #2,292 of 4,058
btw skerry , your decision on buying a new IEM is reaching levels of lebron james' ' THE decision' back in 2010

or like the new tool album - still waiting for it , 9 years after the last one hit the market
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Feb 4, 2015 at 12:53 PM Post #2,294 of 4,058
not exactly 
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as i cannot really get a grasp of the situation, and i have started doing some training, i think that i am going to gradually buy every top of the line flagship iem. something ultrasone iq, ie800 and k3003, as for se846, the custom company in my country sounds like shure se846 if i understood right, and it is cheaper, and custom, so i am going to get a pair of customs as well.
 
basically my list looks like ifi idsd micro, chord hugo, ie800, ultrasone iq, ultrasone signature dj, ultrasone edition 5 or 8, depends if i will be able to fiind bliss in editions, and a pair of ultimate sound customs.
 
i am not yet convinced if i am going to keep everything. i am thinking of buying k3003 as well, it is just that the man selling them told me that i cannot get the money back if i buy.
 
what i don't like totally i am going to sell on head-fi, or other place.
 
the best thing possible is to have from where to chose. as i have more than enough money, this seems like a good ideea. yet, i am studying what disadvantages each one have. for example ie800 cable hardens after some time. it is creepy, but you get a totally new par if this happens!
ultrasone iq has a pretty akward shape
 
best i see where this ideea leads me. i will buy according to how i fiind the answers to what i am looking. 
 
thanks everyone, for all the help!
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Feb 4, 2015 at 7:38 PM Post #2,295 of 4,058
  Tralucent 1plus2 vs. AKG K3003
 
Thanks to Gavin and Gintaras, I had the opportunity to try a Tralucent 1plus2 loaner for a week. My initial plan was to use them for a few hours of casual listening and then start A/Bing with several of my favorite IEMs.
 
However, things changed shortly after I put them in, because of how they instantly reminded me of my K3003s with reference filters. I went to get the AKGs and sure enough, these turned out to sound significantly closer to the 1plus2 than any other pair of IEMs I've heard (including Gintaras' RDB+ V1 that I briefly auditioned during our meet). Seriously, after an hour of going back and forth between the 1plus2 and K3003, I almost felt tempted to drive over to Vienna's AKG headquarters, have these guys take a listen and watch their faces. Now that's not to say that these two phones sound identical, of course there are differences in frequency response and transients, but overall the similarities by far outweigh them in my book. In fact I had to revise my A/Bing scheme from listening to complete test tracks to listening to short music sections in a loop, in order to work out the differences to the last detail.
 
But first things first, here's my disclaimer: I've tried to listen to both IEMs with an open mind and to the best of my abilities, but may not be free of bias or self-deceit. I don't hear much above 16kHz, so take my comments about highs with a grain of salt. I have larger ears than almost everyone I know and no fit or seal problems with either phone, but that may not necessarily be the case for you, especially if you have small ears. Comparisons were made amped from my Xin SuperMicro IV and repeated unamped from my Samsung Galaxy S3 (international version) with consistent results. Remember, all this is strictly imo and ymmv.
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Test Tracks
 
Here's a selection of tracks I used, for those who want to listen for themselves and get to the bottom of things, or just want to know how I do my A/Bing. I have all music in high-bitrate mp3s or better and YouTube / Grooveshark may not do their original quality justice.
 
1) Brahms - Symphony #2, last movement (Munich Philharmonic Orchestra / Celibidache)  (used for holistic assessment: sound signature, timbre, dynamics, soundstage. play entire movement; for YouTube version: start at 36:20)
 
2) Diana Krall - The Boy From Ipanema (Quiet Nights)   (used to assess cymbals timbre, treble resolution and transients; play a 30 seconds loop starting from 1:50)
 
3) Indigo Girls - Digging For Your Dream (Poseidon and the Bitter Bug)  (used to assess mids, vocals and overall tonal balance)
 
4) Kate Rusby - Awkward Annie (20)  (used to assess vocals and acoustic guitar transients / timbre; play a 50 seconds loop starting from 0:00; found only an album sampler version on YouTube, sorry)
 
5) Sibelius - Violin Concerto, first movement (Lisa Batiashvili, Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra)  (used to assess treble and violin timbre; play a 55 seconds loop starting from 0:00; YouTube live version is slightly different from album version)
 
6) Marina and the Diamonds - Primadonna Girl (Electra Heart)  (used to assess bass quantity, transients and impact on mids clarity; play a 60 seconds loop starting from 0:00)
 
7) Origin - The Aftermath (Antithesis)  (used to assess speed, separation, vocal intelligibility, overall balance; play a 90 seconds loop starting from 0:00)
 
8) Dave Holland Quintet - Metamorphos (Live At Birdland)  (used to assess bass timbre, bass/treble noteweight, soundstage, positioning; play a 150 seconds loop starting from 1:30)
 
9) Scott Dubois - Prarie Suite (Landscape Scripture)  (used for holistic assessment: balance, clarity, timbre, separation, soundstage; play entire track)
 
 
 
 
Impressions (warning: excessive use of "slightly" ahead :wink:
 
- based on 6), 8) and 9): 1plus2 has slightly more emphasis on deep bass and slightly faster transients. K3003 has slightly softer bass, but slightly more realistic bass timbre.
- based on 3), 4), 6) and 7): 1plus2 has slightly more laid-back mids than the K3003, but the difference is rather small, mostly about 2 or 3db.
- based on 2), 3), 4), 5) and 8): both have very similar upper mids and treble presence, but the K3003 sounds slightly more resolving / refined. 1plus2 sounds slightly more "raw" and female vocals can be a tiny bit more strident.
- based on 7): both pass the speed test without problem, though 1plus2 sounds slightly faster and tighter. Intelligibility of vocals is a tad better on the K3003, due to slightly better mids presence.
- based on 1), 7), 8) and 9): both sound sufficiently coherent to my ears, though I can clearly distinguish hybrid drivers (BA + DD) on both. If coherence is paramount, get a single driver IEM or something impeccably tuned like the UERM.
- based on 1), 3), 6), 8) and 9): soundstage, separation and dynamics are equally excellent on both.
 
Conclusion
 
The AKG K3003 and Tralucent 1plus2 not only play in the same (high-end) league of IEMs, but are actually akin to a point where it feels almost redundant to own both of these phones. So which one to chose, if you're on the verge of going for one of these? First of all, absolutely try both if you can arrange it. Their fit and ergonomics are much more different than their sound signatures and you may end up preferring one over the other for that reason alone. Then, especially if you're of the overly cautious kind, keep in mind that the 1plus2's cable is removable, whereas the K3003 come with a fixed cable. On the other hand, if you like to play around with your stuff, it's worth mentioning that the K3003 come with easily exchangeable filters and you can tune them to your liking (though I personally think the reference filter is by far the best).
 
But last not least, based solely on sound characteristics, here's my recommendation: the 1plus2 are perhaps a tiny bit better suited for fast-paced, energetic music like (hard) rock, dance or hip-hop, especially if you like to listen at higher volume. However, if these genres are not high on your priority list and you value lower volume, refinement and subtlety instead, especially with acoustic, classical or jazz music, I'd give an ever so slight nod to the K3003.
 
Thanks for reading. 
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fantastic review by a top-class guy , the big bold made me chuckle (in a bitter way...)
 
guess both TOTL iems are incoherent
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ps : james444 also said a few posts after his review (and i quote in bold)


the K3003 are definitely underrated, and dismissing them in favor of the 1plus2 for "coherence reasons" is a kind of logic that escapes me.
 

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