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May 16, 2018 at 11:15 AM Post #20,161 of 39,986
Just to clarify things a bit... The so-called "Fat GZ37" was manufactured by Cossor and marketed by them as a 53KU. The British military number was CV378. However, I have also seen this tube labeled as a GZ33 and GZ37 from various resellers. Cossor quit the tube manufacturing business by the mid 1950's and Mullard's "Skinny GZ37" essentially took its place in the marketplace. And it too was sold to the military as a CV378.

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May 16, 2018 at 11:50 AM Post #20,162 of 39,986

I like a tone that's dynamic and electrifying. Not that I want to be electrocuted but you get my drift. That's my preference.

With tube rolling with the GOTL and the different "other amp" configurations I think this is your only hope:

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May 16, 2018 at 12:11 PM Post #20,163 of 39,986
Question: The EL3N amp does not offer much in tube rolling - would EL6 tubes be feasible (same pinout)?
The EL6 is 1.3A and similar to the EL12, whereas the EL3N is 0.9A and similar to the EL11.
 
May 16, 2018 at 12:35 PM Post #20,164 of 39,986
I've been touched and inspired by all of your comments...thanks kindly. For me, one of the great things about the audio community is my enthusiasm for the hobby isn't solely dependent on what I have or don't have because I still can share in other's joy and continue to learn from other's adventures. What a satisfying hobby!

I've always found your positivity towards things to be inspirational and a reminder that life's journey should be about expanding our viewpoints, not narrowing them. I win some of those battles and lose others, but it's nice little reminders like this that help me stay in the fight.
 
May 16, 2018 at 12:35 PM Post #20,165 of 39,986
Question: The EL3N amp does not offer much in tube rolling - would EL6 tubes be feasible (same pinout)?
The EL6 is 1.3A and similar to the EL12, whereas the EL3N is 0.9A and similar to the EL11.

Yes it will work at least for the output stage.
Don't tell UT that there could be tube rolling on the EL3N amp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
May 16, 2018 at 12:51 PM Post #20,166 of 39,986
Yes it will work at least for the output stage.
Don't tell UT that there could be tube rolling on the EL3N amp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi 2359glenn,
Opening up Pandora's box:
If somebody could come up with a EL3N to EL11/12 or EL12 Spez adapter, would those tubes also be suitable?
BTW, IMHO, the best tube sockets I have come across are the German Steel Y8A sockets - they have a very positive easy to use click in feel to them.
 
May 16, 2018 at 12:52 PM Post #20,167 of 39,986
I'm trying to dig up Xcal 45 tube amp picture to see how it looks.

You can specify the amorphous core version of most Lundahl output transformers for a hundred or so dollars more. It depends on the model, sometimes the cost increase is higher.

Between 2A3 and 45 my personal opinion is that it's better to focus on 45. The extra power from a 2A3 doesn't add anything for headphones in my experience. Also, even though a 2A3 is basically two 45 tubes in the same glass bottle, they don't really sound identical. My amp began life with the ability to use either tube. When it had its accident and had to be repaired I asked Glenn to remove the feature because I had a clear preference for the 45 sound and was never going to use the 2A3 mode.

There are definitely things I would do differently today. The choice of rectifier was probably the biggest one.

The big question is what is really the difference here between 45 and EL3N? Glenn feels the EL3N sounds as good as the 45. I'm sure the flavors are a little different, but both nice. I really would have liked to have the chance to compare the EL3N directly to my 45 so I could answer this question for myself and others, but that didn't come to pass.

There is also another possibility you might want to consider: basing your output stage around the 46 instead of the 45. I was very, very impressed with the 46 tubes I was sampling the other month. The most striking thing about them is the sense of air and space they put around the notes. The 45 has a very "dense" sound that doesn't really breathe a lot, and not everybody loves the intimacy of it. People talk about soundstage in terms of what "row" you are in....... well with the 45 you are literally in front of the microphone. The 46 throws a bigger sound field and lets everything out to breathe, and manages to have better resolution than the 45 tubes I compared it to as icing on the cake.

You can run the 46 with adapters even if you don't design the amp for it, but they end up getting run very hard that way and I think this tube is good enough that it might be worth designing the amp's operating points for it specifically. The major downside is there is no new production tubes available for the 46, and old stock is sometimes a pain to find.
 
May 16, 2018 at 1:14 PM Post #20,169 of 39,986
I have a pretty solid list of 6.3v tubes I can roll for my upcoming GOTL,but Hansotek was unable to provide info on the 12v and 25v options. Can anyone chime in and guide me? I want to poke my head down this rabbithole,but not fall completely in,if that makes sense.
 
May 16, 2018 at 1:37 PM Post #20,170 of 39,986
UT posted this info a while back:

12sn7 and variants (set switch to 12.6 volts)
. 12sn7
. B36
. FDD20 using FDD20 to 6SN7 adapter

25sn7 and variants (set switch to 25.2 volts)
. 1633
. 13D1

One of the reasons I'm getting a GOTL is so I can use the B36. I have a bunch of B65 (metal base and regular black base), but I get nervous handling them as they are so expensive these days.
 
May 16, 2018 at 1:45 PM Post #20,171 of 39,986
Yes it will work at least for the output stage.
Don't tell UT that there could be tube rolling on the EL3N amp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just woke up from sleep so I need to digest this a little.

So Glenn, are you saying that the EL6 tube will work in the EL3N amp? This is a light bulb moment. :)
 
May 16, 2018 at 2:05 PM Post #20,173 of 39,986
Shouldn't have sold your EL3Ns guess you can get more.

That's not a problem. I know Peter of Acoustics-Dimension well. I was the first to get in contact with him regarding the EL3N tubes.

The last time I corresponded with him, he told me there was a tapering off in demand for these tubes. I told him not to worry the demand will be coming soon. :)
 
May 16, 2018 at 2:20 PM Post #20,174 of 39,986
Alright Glenn, I have purchased a pair of this. NOS and new in box. So this will give me 8 watts of power in the EL3N amp? May drive my Voicebox now. :)

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