[musicday]

Can anyone say anything about ES60 vs A12/U12?
They seem to be the best i like so far whats on the market.
Literally which is the best IEM/CIEM right now?

 

[jincuteguy]

Can anyone say anything about ES60 vs A12/U12?
They seem to be the best i like so far whats on the market.
Literally which is the best IEM/CIEM right now?

The best IEM is the JH Audio Layla II ($2799).  Go with 1964 Audio A12, it prevent  you from getting your Ears damaged.  Besides 1964 Audio IEMs and JH Audio, there are no other good IEMs out there atm.
These 2 companies are the Top right now.

 

[Canyon Runner]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that 64 is working with the cable manufacturer to make some changes to help with this problem. We expect these changes to be implemented by the end of April. 

For current customers that are having issues with your cables, please contact customer service and we will look into it by a case by case, but we have been replacing most of them at no cost. 
 

1. Phone: 503-746-8510

Or Email: support@64audio.com

 

[jincuteguy]

  Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that 64 is working with the cable manufacturer to make some changes to help with this problem. We expect these changes to be implemented by the end of April. 

For current customers that are having issues with your cables, please contact customer service and we will look into it by a case by case, but we have been replacing most of them at no cost. 
 

1. Phone: 503-746-8510

Or Email: support@64audio.com

Well Im about to go get my EArs Impressions and prob order the A8, would I have these cable problem? 

 

[twister6]

Can anyone say anything about ES60 vs A12/U12?
They seem to be the best i like so far whats on the market.
Literally which is the best IEM/CIEM right now?

 
Covered it in my A12/U12 review a few weeks ago, comparing to ES60: http://www.head-fi.org/products/1964-ears-adel-a12-custom-iem/reviews/15405 - read the comparison toward the end.  Also, had K10UA vs ES60 comparison in K10UA review (in my signature below).

 

[ken6217]

Veil? On the 12's? Personally, I have never by any stretch considered mine to be veiled. On the contrary, they sound very lifelike.

Absolutely veiled to me. The DAP one uses also can contribute or help.

 

[twister6]

 

Can anyone say anything about ES60 vs A12/U12?
They seem to be the best i like so far whats on the market.
Literally which is the best IEM/CIEM right now?

The best IEM is the JH Audio Layla II ($2799).  Go with 1964 Audio A12, it prevent  you from getting your Ears damaged.  Besides 1964 Audio IEMs and JH Audio, there are no other good IEMs out there atm.
These 2 companies are the Top right now.

 
How about Noble and Empire Ears?  They also have a few products over $2k to qualify being the Top

 

[EagleWings]

Can anyone say anything about ES60 vs A12/U12?
They seem to be the best i like so far whats on the market.
Literally which is the best IEM/CIEM right now?

 
Scroll down to the comparison part of this review:
 
http://www.head-fi.org/products/1964-ears-adel-a12-custom-iem/reviews/15405
 

  The best IEM is the JH Audio Layla II ($2799).  Go with 1964 Audio A12, it prevent  you from getting your Ears damaged.  Besides 1964 Audio IEMs and JH Audio, there are no other good IEMs out there atm.
These 2 companies are the Top right now.

 
What sounds best to you, may not be the best for some one else. I have seen your post in the Siren Series thread. Based on your post, is it safe to assume that you have not tried the Layla II? If so, there is a 50/50 chance that, even you may not like the IEM afterall.
 
Price and Driver Count are not ideal indicators of the performance level of an IEM. Even going by the price there is the Shure KSE 1500 priced at $3000 and by driver count Empire Ears Zeus boasts 14 drivers.
 
There are many more important and critical factors when it comes to an IEM such as tuning, driver placement, phase coherency, implementation, crossover etc..
 
Plenty of choices out there and the wise thing to do would be to buy the one that floats your boat.

 

[Xcellere]

  Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that 64 is working with the cable manufacturer to make some changes to help with this problem. We expect these changes to be implemented by the end of April. 

For current customers that are having issues with your cables, please contact customer service and we will look into it by a case by case, but we have been replacing most of them at no cost. 
 

1. Phone: 503-746-8510

Or Email: support@64audio.com

Will this fix be implemented into orders currently in production?

 

[Mython]

 

Veil? On the 12's? Personally, I have never by any stretch considered mine to be veiled. On the contrary, they sound very lifelike.

Absolutely veiled to me. The DAP one uses also can contribute or help.

 
I would very seriously check the output-impedance of the amp-stage

 

[ken6217]

  The best IEM is the JH Audio Layla II ($2799).  Go with 1964 Audio A12, it prevent  you from getting your Ears damaged.  Besides 1964 Audio IEMs and JH Audio, there are no other good IEMs out there atm.
These 2 companies are the Top right now.

Obviously personal opinion. The Layla is too bass light for me. 
 
As far as saving your hearing, I'd like to see proof of that. I own the A12's and to me, loud is loud, and loud can hurt your hearing. Pressure or no pressure. Come stand behind my bike for a few minutes as I rev it and let me know if your ears ring. Also let me know if there was any pressure in your ears.

 

[ken6217]

   
I would very seriously check the output-impedance of the amp-stage

I'm not the only one that has said that though. I will change it on my Calyx now and see if any improvement.

 

[Mython]

 

   
I would very seriously check the output-impedance of the amp-stage

I'm not the only one that has said that though. I will change it on my Calyx now and see if any improvement.

 
 
Fair enough.
 
I'm not making excuses for 64.
 
I suppose the fact that the A12 is known to have some bass emphasis may, in itself, lead to a perception that there is (relatively) less midband presence and less treble presence, and thus a subjective impression, to some listeners, that perhaps there might be a slight veiling to the sound character.
 
Regarding the Calyx-M, though, that is known to struggle to correctly drive some impedances, isn't it? I recall they even had to introduce an in-line impedance adapter, didn't they?
 
I'd try with an iBasso DAP, as they're generally quite low output-impedance

 

[ken6217]

   
 
Fair enough.
 
I'm not making excuses for 64.
 
I suppose the fact that the A12 is known to have some bass emphasis may, in itself, lead to a perception that there is (relatively) less midband presence and less treble presence, and thus a subjective impression, to some listeners, that perhaps there might be a slight veiling to the sound character.
 
Regarding the Calyx-M, though, that is known to struggle to correctly drive some impedances, isn't it? I recall they even had to introduce an in-line impedance adapter, didn't they?
 
I'd try with an iBasso DAP, as they're generally quite low output-impedance

Thanks for the suggestion. You made my day. It helped.
 
There are 3 settings for Impedance Matching.
 
Low- 7-16
Mid- 16-24
High- 24+
 
I had it set at Low. I switched to Mid and it is much better. What should the A12's be set at?
 
These are bass heavy and not known to have great treble extension, and hence the warm sound.
 
Thanks,
Ken

 

[che15]

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The best IEM is the JH Audio Layla II ($2799).  Go with 1964 Audio A12, it prevent  you from getting your Ears damaged.  Besides 1964 Audio IEMs and JH Audio, there are no other good IEMs out there atm.
These 2 companies are the Top