[xedjflowx]

  Info up on the Adel Customs - 10 driver & 12 driver - nothing less - big guns!

is the kickstarter up or is this from somewhere else? also, are those dynamics accompanied by anything else? you said nothing less...

 

[Ivabign]

 
is the kickstarter up or is this from somewhere else? also, are those dynamics accompanied by anything else? you said nothing less...

Not until the 5th from what I hear.... 
 
Oh, when I stated "nothing less" I meant no ADEL CIEMs with less than 10 drivers - new flagships...

 

[ChrisRPM12]

 
is the kickstarter up or is this from somewhere else? also, are those dynamics accompanied by anything else? you said nothing less...

I'm surprised that it's on the main homepage and not the ADEL page.... https://www.1964ears.com/ . 

 

[Mimouille]

2000 dollars for the A12? Was this brand not supposed to offer fair prices? This is more than K10 or Roxannes.

 

[Bina]

But these will not destroy your hearing thanks to that fancy ambient port  
 
Seriously, someone needs to explain this strange miraculous technlogoy to me, because right now it seems just like useless bass reduction lowering isolation.

 

[fnkcow]

Must be ground-breaking to set the newest flagship at more than 2X the price of the less-than-one-year-old-flagship V8! Very curious!

 

[SilverEars]

Regarding the vent.  I don't see what the real benefit is.  Vents are typically used for dynamic or hybrid driver iems.  You see vents on 1p2 or micro dynamics or bigger dynamics. BA drivers are different functionally.
 
One dynamic driver iem that has important functionality of the vents is the ie800.  It has dual vents.  If you close off one 7k boost, and the other 8k boosts.  Both, the in between.  One of them blocked also drops the bass.  Since the ie800 is not a deep inserted iem, the canal distance of the shallow insertion creates a half wave resonances of specific wavelengh in the high frequencies like the 7k or 8k.  So the vents surve a purpose to eleviate that.  So for hybrids, the vent is for the bass.  Releasing pressure in the canal that has built up, and the back chamber for general ease of dynamic driver movement.  Some vent experiment Rin did with ie800.  
 

 

 

 

[drawmer]

Have you read the research by Vanderbilt on the ADEL page? The vent has a membrane in it, so it's not just a vent. This membrane doesn't let air pass through but moves to absorb the pressures created by the drivers. in the study it shows that because these pressures are not triggering your acoustic reflex you perceive the sound 10db louder. If this "port" would let any ambience in, it would be crushed buy the +10db perception. Its louder without being louder. It tricks your ear into thinking it's not closed sealed, but more like your listening to a pair of ns10's in a studio. I can only imagine the fidelity that can be accomplished with this isolation but not isolation.

 

[Ivabign]

  But these will not destroy your hearing thanks to that fancy ambient port  
 
Seriously, someone needs to explain this strange miraculous technlogoy to me, because right now it seems just like useless bass reduction lowering isolation.

I need to look up bass reduction lowering isolation - does it do that too? That would be miraculous technologoy!

 

[SilverEars]

Have you read the research by Vanderbilt on the ADEL page? The vent has a membrane in it, so it's not just a vent. This membrane doesn't let air pass through but moves to absorb the pressures created by the drivers. in the study it shows that because these pressures are not triggering your acoustic reflex you perceive the sound 10db louder. If this "port" would let any ambience in, it would be crushed buy the +10db perception. Its louder without being louder. It tricks your ear into thinking it's not closed sealed, but more like your listening to a pair of ns10's in a studio. I can only imagine the fidelity that can be accomplished with this isolation but not isolation.

Actually it does let air pass through. The OP image show flow of air. It let air out through the membrane.  Using a membrane probably releases the pressure, but at the same time does the not in air maintaining the isolation?  Although the graph shows the bass drop(likely from the release of pressure), but at the same time smooths out the response at the top. But, the study was using universals. I don't quite understand how the perception of loudness elevated, but the study was done on it.  But, yeah using the membrane is quite different from a typical vent.
 
  

 

[xedjflowx]

Have you read the research by Vanderbilt on the ADEL page? The vent has a membrane in it, so it's not just a vent. This membrane doesn't let air pass through but moves to absorb the pressures created by the drivers. in the study it shows that because these pressures are not triggering your acoustic reflex you perceive the sound 10db louder. If this "port" would let any ambience in, it would be crushed buy the +10db perception. Its louder without being louder. It tricks your ear into thinking it's not closed sealed, but more like your listening to a pair of ns10's in a studio. I can only imagine the fidelity that can be accomplished with this isolation but not isolation.

this was useful. i don't doubt it doesn't work. i'm mostly worried about what we can expect from the sound. particularly the universals

 

[drawmer]

The original OP was probly not accurate, probly why they changed it. If you look at the tip there is a film, that's the membrane. It's so thin it's barely visible. A slight bass tuning adjustment can more than compensate for a few db bass loss. That also why they're not just putting it in the current models like s gimmick because the A-12 will be tuned for the ADEL tech. Kind of like a new engine always is mated with a new transmission. From what I hear its the new benchmark, can't wait to hear it.

 

[SilverEars]

The original OP was probly not accurate, probly why they changed it. If you look at the tip there is a film, that's the membrane. It's so thin it's barely visible. A slight bass tuning adjustment can more than compensate for a few db bass loss. That also why they're not just putting it in the current models like s gimmick because the A-12 will be tuned for the ADEL tech. Kind of like a new engine always is mated with a new transmission. From what I hear its the new benchmark, can't wait to hear it.

How is the pressure being released without venting?  Isn't that the valve's functionality?
 

 

[drawmer]

  How is the pressure being released without venting?  Isn't that the valve's functionality?
 

The membrane expands like a balloon to create more space in the ear. That OP was maybe the "concept" this is the one on the site now. 
 
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[Xymordos]

  Regarding the vent.  I don't see what the real benefit is.  Vents are typically used for dynamic or hybrid driver iems.  You see vents on 1p2 or micro dynamics or bigger dynamics. BA drivers are different functionally.
 
One dynamic driver iem that has important functionality of the vents is the ie800.  It has dual vents.  If you close off one 7k boost, and the other 8k boosts.  Both, the in between.  One of them blocked also drops the bass.  Since the ie800 is not a deep inserted iem, the canal distance of the shallow insertion creates a half wave resonances of specific wavelengh in the high frequencies like the 7k or 8k.  So the vents surve a purpose to eleviate that.  So for hybrids, the vent is for the bass.  Releasing pressure in the canal that has built up, and the back chamber for general ease of dynamic driver movement.  Some vent experiment Rin did with ie800.  
 

 

 

 
Actually...someone opened up their IE800 and realized the bottom vent is purely aesthetic and is blocked. Only the top vent actually has a hole.