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Its so strange, as frustrating as he was I'm actually missing
money4me247's dense, obsessiveness today.... bless him
just since you said that I'll respond. but hahaha... now I know better than to go to a thread about a certain brand of headphones and say anything negative about the topic of the thread. However, based on the responses I am getting I feel like people aren't accurately interpreting/understanding my comments.
@everyone who says that everyone hears differently, so you can't trust reviews. If people can't trust reviews, then why should people trust your positive opinions on the Pro 500? My whole point is that everyone hears differently & prefers different sound signatures, so it does NOT make sense for the Yamaha sound signature to be priced higher lol. Didn't seem like a crazy concept to me.
While the majority of you are basing your opinions on your personal listening experience, I read through a lot of different reviews. From what I've read of comparisons & stand-alone reviews, there are enough people who prefer other headphones in the lower $300 price range that would make me think that the pro 500 should also be thrown in that price range. I don't understand what is so controversial or offensive about that.
Another example of this line of thinking is that a lot of people prefer the sound of the $120 M50 over the $300 Beats. Hence, I think that the Beats are overpriced and should be priced down to that level.
All I am saying is that there does not seem to be an
objective reason why the Pro 500's are better than many of its $300 competitors. You guys may
subjectively like the Pro 500's sound quality more, but there are a lot of other reviewers that subjectively liked the other $300 headphones sound quality more. Does that point make sense to everyone?
Also, the only comment I made about their sound quality is that they have a v-shaped sound signature. Basically the almost all of reviewers on Head-Fi reviewing the Pro 500 either talked about the bass boost or specifically mentioned a v-shaped sound signature (except maybe roma101), so I would imagine that characterization of their sound is accurate lol.
Dude, I mentioned like 2 pages ago that the Pro 500s HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRICED AT $300 AND WILL PROBABLY GO LOWER!! So your primary "nitpick" will already fall on its ass!!! Stop saying that there are cheaper competitors unless V-Moda is priced now at $200 (which it isn't) or any others you mentioned... That's the first thing.
I agree with you. At $300, I would say they would be a great closed, portable pair of headphones. It's unfortunate that the $300 deal was a limited time thing. I personally think that the fact their price dropped 25% right after their release is a reflection that $400 is not even remotely close to their real value (personal opinion lol), and also probably due to the fact that not many people were buying them.
Now, you can compile all the reviews and impressions everyone has given but EVERYONE appreciates sound/music in different ways. Yeah yeah, you can get the "basic" sound signature by reading a review, but the nuances will not be caught by everyone. I can talk all I want about instrument separation, details, etc. and not everyone will get the same results. Heck, sometimes I have a hard time when doing A/B comparisons (which is why I at least have to stick with a headphone for 1 or 2 weeks to fully appreciate it!).
lol... I agree. A single reviewer/listener will not catch all the subtle details of the music. Hence, I read multiple reviews. I feel like a compilation of multiple reviews/opinions has less bias than a single listener. Your opinion of these headphones are simply the opinion of one listener. That's why I don't think my opinion of their sound is "uninformed/unfounded" as I can cite a multitude of people who agree about particular aspects of their sound. (and lol I never said the Pro 500 sounded bad. I just said they sound similar to headphones that are much cheaper.) If you are implying that there is an "indescribable" quality in their sound that makes them better than other portable, closed headphones... then I am not sure how to respond b/c I thought the whole point of all these audiophile terms is so that you can objectively describe the sound quality.
Probably not a great thing to bring up in a headphones enthusiast forum, but don't you ever wonder why it is that it takes you 1-2 weeks to "fully appreciate the sound"? If the sound is very objectively different, then it should be apparent from an A/B comparison. It may be that the 1-2 week process it takes to "appreciate" the sound of a particular pair of headphones is simply due to your ears adjusting to their sound signature or listener-bias (aka you like the headphones so you think certain parts of the song sound better with a particular pair, but if you do an A/B comparison on that particular section of the song, it actually may sound the same). [This is just conjecture, don't get insulted lol]
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The question is: why is he getting so hopped up about this HP being overpriced vs. others in the same price range? He could make the same argument against the PSB M4U 1/2. Or the Momentums. Or M-100. Or any other headphone he hasn't heard for himself yet.
lol... b/c this thread is about the Yamaha Pro. I don't understand what the big fuss is about. I just said I don't think they would be worth the money, so I wouldn't recommend them.
PSB M4U is priced higher b/c it has noise-cancelling so its competitors are in a different range. They appear overpriced to me, but I haven't read/heard anything about its sound, so I can't say if they are doing things better than their competitors that makes the higher price justifiable. For the Momentums, I understand why it is priced slightly higher at $350, because it is offering a flat sound, which audiophiles are typically willing to pay more for that. For the M100, I would imagine the price for sound quality alone would be more along $200-250, but the price is higher for the warranty, build-materials, and style. Just like the Ultrasone Pro 900 was originally priced at $600 (which I would say is overpriced & not recommended), but now that they are $300, I would say they are a good choice.
Dealing with someone who is dense, obsessive, and has very delicate sensibilities is often times frustrating.
Insulting people is never very nice. Ad hominem also does not enhance your own argument.
Congrats if you made it through the whole post, and if you took the time to read my post, I believe that you would find that my points are pretty logical. I don't mind if you disagree, but I feel like a lot of people are missing whole point of what I am saying.
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