[Gilly87]

Ok, wanna talk about productivity? Telling a person they're being defensive (especially along with sarcastic comments like "Welcome to the free economy" and saying you were "amused" by my comment) is about the most inflammatory thing you can do if someone IS being defensive 

 so count your stones before you go casting them.
 
My beef was that his comment was not constructive; he is free to say whatever he likes, but it's still not constructive.
 
The whole topic is getting derailed by this though so we should probably all chillax.
 
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@Gilly
You're buying them because you want them and he's selling them because he doesn't or wants money. Welcome to the free economy. Just as all the other people can ooze love for them out of every pore, he was every right to say he dislikes them for any reason and no reason. He is under absolutely no obligation to you or anyone else to explain why. 
 
Maybe instead of attacking his comment, which I was amused by for the record, and would have been just as amused by if it was about a headphone I loved, no one asked him why he disliked them or was selling them and instead just started complaining and,as someone said before, getting very defensive. 

 

 

[shotgunshane]

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Hey Shane, how would you compare them to the Atrios?

Aesthetically they look better than the Atrios but I would guess durability would be similar, even though the Yamahas are metal and the Atrios plastic (very heavy duty plastic).  Atrios have a better/more supple cable but there is nothing wrong with the Yamaha cable, just not as soft and pliable.  Isolation is similar as both are sealed, which is very good isolation.
 
Sound wise I didn't spend much time comparing but the Yamaha's can't compete in sub bass extension and rumble but then what can really compete with the Atrio here?  The Atrios have a very thick note and while the Yamaha's don't have a thin or lean note, it isn't as thick and gives a better sense of clarity.  I greatly prefer the Atrio treble presentation, as it is more life like but neither are fatiguing.  Neither have wide soundstages IMO and both have good depth but I think the Atrios are deeper with better dynamics.  The Yamaha's have better instrument separation, while the Atrios sound more organic and coherent.  Both have darker, easy to listen to presentations.
 
All in all, I greatly prefer the Atrios for my preferences.
 

 

[pack21]

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Your English is impeccable 

 Sorry...
 
Anyway, I agree with your points, especially the first.
 

eheheh....sorry but English is not my language, haven't anyone to teach me.

 

[Gilly87]

Shane how would you compare the midrange of the two?


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Aesthetically they look better than the Atrios but I would guess durability would be similar, even though the Yamahas are metal and the Atrios plastic (very heavy duty plastic).  Atrios have a better/more supple cable but there is nothing wrong with the Yamaha cable, just not as soft and pliable.  Isolation is similar as both are sealed, which is very good isolation.
 
Sound wise I didn't spend much time comparing but the Yamaha's can't compete in sub bass extension and rumble but then what can really compete with the Atrio here?  The Atrios have a very thick note and while the Yamaha's don't have a thin or lean note, it isn't as thick and gives a better sense of clarity.  I greatly prefer the Atrio treble presentation, as it is more life like but neither are fatiguing.  Neither have wide soundstages IMO and both have good depth but I think the Atrios are deeper with better dynamics.  The Yamaha's have better instrument separation, while the Atrios sound more organic and coherent.  Both have darker, easy to listen to presentations.
 
All in all, I greatly prefer the Atrios for my preferences.
 

 

 

[shotgunshane]

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Shane how would you compare the midrange of the two?

The Atrios have a U shaped sig and while I do not think their midrange is recessed, it certainly isn't forward either.  It is also on the drier side.  The Yamaha's have more focus on the midrange in contrast, and while I wouldn't describe it as liquid, it certainly isn't on the dry side.  So I'd say it puts a more focus on vocals than the Atrios.
 
Keep in mind my time with the Yamahas was very limited (I've already got them boxed up) and wouldn't want to try and put more detail to it than this unless I opened them back up to listen critically.
 

 

[vwinter]

 
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The whole topic is getting derailed by this though so we should probably all chillax.
 

 
 
 

 

[Dacrazydude]

When I hear U shaped, I think exponential. Similarly, when I think V shaped, I think linear. Is this the right way to visual(audiolize?) the sound signature? Does the U mean that the mids are even more heavily recessed?

 

[shotgunshane]

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When I hear U shaped, I think exponential. Similarly, when I think V shaped, I think linear. Is this the right way to visual(audiolize?) the sound signature? Does the U mean that the mids are even more heavily recessed?

No, I find V shaped signatures to have more recessed vocals and guitars, since the mid bass and lower treble are close to the V it accentuates it to me.  U shapes are typically raised at the very ends of the spectrum and more linear throughout and IMO do not typically result in a recessed sounding midrange, or at least as much as a V shape.  At least this has been my experience and the way I'd define the two.
 

 

[Dacrazydude]

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No, I find V shaped signatures to have more recessed vocals and guitars, since the mid bass and lower treble are close to the V it accentuates it to me.  U shapes are typically raised at the very ends of the spectrum and more linear throughout and IMO do not typically result in a recessed sounding midrange, or at least as much as a V shape.  At least this has been my experience and the way I'd define the two.
 

Ok, thank you. This explains why I've always been confused with the "U shaped" signatures. There really should be a better way to describe that lol. 

 

[lostid]

Calm down people. It's your money and choice - whether to buy, sell, like or dislike it. You are the ONLY one who deserves to be credited for a great buy or blamed for falling short of expectations.
 
I bought 4 phones in the last month and the Yama is the only one that fell short of my expectation. I felt ripped off with the build quality (not the sound quality). Although my son has not probably been careful handling it, it just felt cheap stuff with low build quality I as stated a few times on this thread. As for the sound, the treble bothers me a lot even though I am not an audiophile with trained ears.
 
What I am surprised is for a pair of IEM's of this build quality, I didn't see people complaining or questioning about it with so many seasoned audiophiles around here.
 
No offense to anybody. It's just a pair of IEM's.
 
Cheers
 

 

[Gilly87]

Fair enough. Can't wait to hear them for myself
 
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The Atrios have a U shaped sig and while I do not think their midrange is recessed, it certainly isn't forward either.  It is also on the drier side.  The Yamaha's have more focus on the midrange in contrast, and while I wouldn't describe it as liquid, it certainly isn't on the dry side.  So I'd say it puts a more focus on vocals than the Atrios.
 
Keep in mind my time with the Yamahas was very limited (I've already got them boxed up) and wouldn't want to try and put more detail to it than this unless I opened them back up to listen critically.
 

 

 

[miow]

What Atrios are you guys talking about?
 

 
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What I am surprised is for a pair of IEM's of this build quality, I didn't see people complaining or questioning about it with so many seasoned audiophiles around here.
 
No offense to anybody. It's just a pair of IEM's.
 
Cheers
 

Build quality is excelent. As is sound quality

 
But thats it, just a pair of (one of my best sounding) IEM's.
 
Cheers.

 

[shotgunshane]

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What Atrios are you guys talking about?

MG7. Newest version.

 

[k1n0n3]

Someone mentioned that these create a vacuum seal due to no venting (I may have read wrong), but don't they have vents, in the middle of the body right next to the R/L marking and on the opposite side?

And while I agree that the isolation is pretty good, it is nothing compared to the Monster Trumpet with the "super" tips, as I've mentioned earlier, with those in you literally cannot hear crap (no music playing), as in if you were to stick your fingers firmly in your ears. That is why I am interested in those tips, as for me, riding the NYC subway everyday: any additional isolation is a plus, for others it may be a bit much.

 

[pack21]

I think they are vent.
 
 
 
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