[thinker]

homeopathy is based on information.In physics today we can show how information is structured on wave fluctuations and how it influences matter.Basically homeopathy should work.

 

[fraseyboy]

It works if you believe it works.

 

[Pepsi]

I was watching Larry King's interview with Pamela Anderson a couple days ago and remembered hearing she uses homeopathic medicines. Larry just pretended he didn't hear it and moved onto the next question.

 

[Lazarus Short]

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Originally Posted by Pepsi /img/forum/go_quote.gif I was watching Larry King's interview with Pamela Anderson a couple days and remembered hearing she uses homeopathic medicines. Larry just pretended he didn't hear it and moved onto the next question.

The Gatekeepers are in place to control this sort of information, but forum rules prevent a complete discussion of what the Gatekeepers keep in and keep out...

 

[beerguy0]

My wife's sister died of breast cancer at age 38, thanks in large part to relying on homeopathy rather than chemo therapy. 'Nuff said.

 

[Lazarus Short]

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Originally Posted by beerguy0 /img/forum/go_quote.gif My wife's sister died of breast cancer at age 38, thanks in large part to relying on homeopathy rather than chemo therapy. 'Nuff said.

Chemo has been known to kill too. It is called chemotherapy, but it employs poisons (thus the less scary-sounding "chemo"), and the oncologist is gambling that the chemo will kill the cancer without killing the patient. Happily, it often works that way, but not always.

 

[grawk]

the difference is that chemo works with some regularity, and homeopathy works about as often as sugar pills.

 

[ericj]

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Originally Posted by Lazarus Short /img/forum/go_quote.gif Chemo has been known to kill too. It is called chemotherapy, but it employs poisons (thus the less scary-sounding "chemo"), and the oncologist is gambling that the chemo will kill the cancer without killing the patient. Happily, it often works that way, but not always.

This is what is called a false equivalency.

Relying on homeopathy can be proven to be equivalent to doing nothing but hoping you get better.

Chemotherapy on the other hand is doing something and hoping you get better.

Doing nothing is sometimes a reasonable course of action, but frequently shortens one's lifespan.

Doing chemo is sometimes a reasonable course of action, and occasionally shortens one's lifespan.

And yes, it's poison. That's how it works. It's the least worst course of action for many cancers.

 

[evilking]

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Originally Posted by Lazarus Short /img/forum/go_quote.gif The Gatekeepers are in place to control this sort of information, but forum rules prevent a complete discussion of what the Gatekeepers keep in and keep out...

Yes, I often remember the principle of conscious-anti-democratic neutralization. Hopefully the mods won't remove this:


The Old Testament prophets knew that the cycle of electro-spontaneous reactivity is the transcendental principle behind the Universe and yet it is virtually unheard of. Why is that? This is because it has been SUPPRESSED throughout history. the Secret Masters and their agents, the Cosa Nostra, are systematically suppressing knowledge of the secret of the ETERNAL principle of META-SOCIALIST COMPENSATION and are willing to exterminate anyone who gets in their way as they did Novalis. the true hidden value of pi is 3.37; all mathematical laws have been rewritten to hide this. ONLY from this value can one compute the TRUE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST INHABITED SOLAR SYSTEMS. Achieve ultimate peace now! Just follow these 4 easy steps:

• Reject the absurd notion of 'affordable computing'.
• Adopt quantum reality matrix science as your guide.
• Drink the holy fire.
• Reject the evil and senseless doctrine of the Golden Rule.

EK

 

[Lazarus Short]

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Originally Posted by evilking /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yes, I often remember the principle of conscious-anti-democratic neutralization. Hopefully the mods won't remove this: The Old Testament prophets knew that the cycle of electro-spontaneous reactivity is the transcendental principle behind the Universe and yet it is virtually unheard of. Why is that? This is because it has been SUPPRESSED throughout history. the Secret Masters and their agents, the Cosa Nostra, are systematically suppressing knowledge of the secret of the ETERNAL principle of META-SOCIALIST COMPENSATION and are willing to exterminate anyone who gets in their way as they did Novalis. the true hidden value of pi is 3.37; all mathematical laws have been rewritten to hide this. ONLY from this value can one compute the TRUE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST INHABITED SOLAR SYSTEMS. Achieve ultimate peace now! Just follow these 4 easy steps: Reject the absurd notion of 'affordable computing'. Adopt quantum reality matrix science as your guide. Drink the holy fire. Reject the evil and senseless doctrine of the Golden Rule. EK

You must have gotten that off a bottle of Bronner's Soap. Anyone who has read one of those labels knows what I mean.

 

[Uncle Erik]

I don't use homeopathy, the 11 secret herbs and spices, etc. etc. However, I am entirely for "alternative" medicine.

The FDA should be hands-off and everything should be legal.

I think alternative medicine would be an excellent way to cull those who believe in alternative medicine.

Shouldn't take more than a few generations.

 

[rhythmdevils]

at least it's not likely to do anyone any harm, and its not that expensive.

the same can't be said of the "natural remedies" that are so popular these days. When I hear someone say that something is safe because it's natural, I want to see them eat a bucket full of arsenic. Or even just maple leaves, or dust, or stagnant pond water. And if there aren't potential hazards from taking too much of an herb, or taking the wrong herbs together, that means they aren't doing anything good either.

I'm all for natural remedies and herbal remedies. After all, most of our most successful medications came from plants. But there isn't enough research or wisdom behind a lot of the stuff on the shelves at whole foods. It scares me seeing all the daily vitamins that throw in A LOT of herbs that people take every day without even knowing it, or thinking about possible interactions.

It's one thing to trust a shaman in the rainforest who was properly trained and actually knows the plants and what they do, but it's another to trust some random dudes in kentucky who put a bunch of stuff into a pill and call it natural.

ok that's the end of my rant, thanks

 

[ujamerstand]

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik /img/forum/go_quote.gif I think alternative medicine would be an excellent way to cull those who believe in alternative medicine. Shouldn't take more than a few generations.

Ah, but not unless they manage to reproduce before they remove themselves from the gene pool. Who knows, believing in homeopathy might be more beneficial to the reproductive fitness of the individual.

 

[Uncle Erik]

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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils /img/forum/go_quote.gif at least it's not likely to do anyone any harm, and its not that expensive.

Not necessarily.

If someone uses homeopathy instead of seeking genuine treatment, it can cost them their life. Also, it can substantially drive up healthcare costs if they eventually have to seek scientific treatment and incur catastrophic costs. Further, these sorts of things go beyond a bottle on the shelf at Costco. I've seen dying people drop five or six figures at bogus clinicas south of the border for "miracle" cures.

Snakeoil can be costly and also potentially shift the cost burden onto others.

Further, there's a philosophical point to be made about magical thinking and belief without evidence. Wishing something were true doesn't make it true. People should rely on proven things, not faerie dust and snakeoil.

Some set this up as a battle between two belief systems.

Nonsense.

If there was profit to be found in "natural" remedies, then big pharma would appropriate it and sell it as legitimate products.

 

[rhythmdevils]

um they do sell them. But lots of them aren't legitimate. It seems you can't really sell beauty products or skin care/ hair products anymore unless there's a picture of vegetables or fruit on the cover, and some crazy high tech fruit name like "Hydrating Watermelon Technology" or something. That's fine and dandy, but if you read the label, there's a whole list of crazy ingredients, and then they throw in .001% watermelon juice and that's what goes on the cover

But it's silly to discredit all natural remedies. What about peppermint tea as a simple example? It's pretty clear to me that it soothes my stomach. But I agree that there's a lot of hogwash out there.

Also, I would guess that most of the people spending 6 figures on alternative miracle cures have already been failed by the western/modern system. I know what that's like, I've been sick for 3 years with stomach issues I picked up in india, and the doctors keep doing tests, but can't find anything. I'm about ready to burn some frog's legs or whatever else could possibly help.