Why the Beats Hate?

[inthere]

Think and hope he was joking about the Bass. There's correct bass and excess bass

I've never met an audiophile that accurately identified correct bass. Most like it rolled off. Very few headphone companies make headphones with correct bass because it isn't profitable. 
 
For a headphone to be priced in excess of $1000 you have to roll off bass and boost treble and mids to spotlight treble and mid detail. Most of the time it's a conscious tuning choice by high end headphone companies.
 
Technology has gotten to the point where everything has the potential to give you excellent sound quality and it doesn't matter if it's planar magnetic, electrostatic, dynamic, or anything else.

 

[ccdan]

  I actually tried the solo 2, you know, the one with the high praise from innerfidelity and various audiophiles. They were better than my old mixrs but really nothing impressive at all. Vocals were rubbish from my standards, I thought even the qc35 sounded better

You should try the Studio 2, they're better than Solo 2 or any other Beats headphone. 

 

[Kaixing]

I had a solo headphone 5 years ago and it is all about the bass!

 

[god-bluff]

I had a solo headphone 5 years ago and it is all about the bass!

Well done, it takes a lot of nerve to admit you have owned a pair in the past

Thankfully such things didn't exist when I was young.I assume you've moved on to real headphones now ?

I suppose Beats are acceptable when thoughts of as Toys a colourful sort of 'My First Headphone'for toddlers. A bit pricy though although I have seen a few three year olds recently wielding £700 iPhones:-/

 

[chef8489]

If you guys still think beats still sound bad you guys are sorely mistaken, with many high profile audiophiles shocked by how well they sound.  Good job guys, following in the age old tradition of headfiers that know about a headphone before they have heard it. What a joke you all are.

 

I just spent about a week with many of the Beats lineup, and i still dont like them sorry. Just because we dont like them its not because we have not heard them. Its because we dont like them. We dont like the sound quality and build quality, especially for the price. But just like apple fans, omce they like beats, they dont want to see the possibility of anything else.

 

[chef8489]

 
I've never met an audiophile that accurately identified correct bass. Most like it rolled off. Very few headphone companies make headphones with correct bass because it isn't profitable. 
 
For a headphone to be priced in excess of $1000 you have to roll off bass and boost treble and mids to spotlight treble and mid detail. Most of the time it's a conscious tuning choice by high end headphone companies.
 
Technology has gotten to the point where everything has the potential to give you excellent sound quality and it doesn't matter if it's planar magnetic, electrostatic, dynamic, or anything else.

 
Right. Thats a pretty bold statement.

 

[ccdan]

  I had a solo headphone 5 years ago and it is all about the bass!

Choosing to judge the best of current Beats headphones on a 5 year old low end headphone is like drawing conclusions about Sennheiser HD600 based on auditions of HD201.

 

[gerelmx1986]

 

I had a solo headphone 5 years ago and it is all about the bass!

Well done, it takes a lot of nerve to admit you have owned a pair in the past

Thankfully such things didn't exist when I was young.I assume you've moved on to real headphones now ?

I suppose Beats are acceptable when thoughts of as Toys a colourful sort of 'My First Headphone'for toddlers. A bit pricy though although I have seen a few three year olds recently wielding £700 iPhones:-/

Agree with you godbluff, MDR-Z7 are built like a screwn TANK to crush Beats 

 and they sound way better than your AVG beats pair, yes, i don't deny they are bassy but nor bloated

 

[god-bluff]

Choosing to judge the best of current Beats headphones on a 5 year old low end headphone is like drawing conclusions about Sennheiser HD600 based on auditions of HD201.

Please don't mention s pair of Beats and a Hd600 in the same breath. Insulting to Sennheiser and people's intelligence. even the HD201 are a fairly decent and inoffensive cheap headphone with no cynical marketing and inflated price tag. They give a taste of Sennheiser sound. The small amount of money they cost pays for their modestly good sound. Again comparing proper sound first headphones to Beats is ridiculous

The HD201 will undoubtedly give longer service. Even if you like the sound of Beats which is okay it cannot be denied that the build is appalling. Looked at a pair of Studios in an obviously empty shop yesterday, they weren't working by the way, and was as usual appalled at the terribly engineered folding mechanism that feels and sounds like the headband is snapping and the very nasty shiny plastic

 

[GearMe]

Glad they opened your thread back up God-bluff...something humorous about a thread where the sole purpose is to hate on a brand and troll its supporters!

That aside, I've noticed that you rail particularly hard on the build quality of Beats; often regaling us with examples of broken Beats like the Studios in the 'deserted' audio shop you just mentioned. I'm beginning to get a vision in my head of you running about the UK smashing the daylights out of every pair of Beats that you can get your hands on! :eek:

jk (not Rowling. Hmmm, speaking of her, maybe you can reach out to ask if 'he who must not be named' could endorse 'the headphones that must not be heard'...fitting, it would seem.)


EDIT: although you weren't the OP, I feel like you're the defacto owner at this point...

 

[SSandDigital]

Fair assessment since anyone I know who wants Beats haven't heard them, but they know they must have. Few who do have, never shopped a rounding researching alternatives. Just bought cause must have.

I detest hip hop and everything associated with such a passion that I won't even capitalize it. 


 


The actual sound of Beats has nothing to do with that. 


 


I actually loved the sound of Beats the very 1st time hearing them and so did all my friends-at least two years before seeing a single advertisement or super corny hip hop video promoting them-I don't watch ANYTHING hip hop. None of my friends are hip hop fans either. On flights and when travelling, the bass disappears on most high end headphones. Beats makes up for subsonic bass cancellation for a great full bodied sound.


 


I've always hated the way Beats look-and being a music business professional walking around with a pair of Beats on wipes out decades of credibility. So no way in my case are they a fashion accessory. 


 


Headphone tuning at the end of the day is a preference. Each headphone has fans of the way it sounds-and Beats is the world's most popular headphone. I'm just amazed that people in this thread are dismissing the sound when 90% of the people buying Beats have listened to them in stores before buying them. 

 

If beats are the most popular headphone, it has nothing to do with the sound, but the advertising and status symbology they cram down your throat. You take that away and they would have disappeared a long tima ago. I have listened to ever headphone they have ever peoduced, and so have most of my associates and colleagues, and everyone has come to the same conclusion. They are over priced for the soud quality. Unbalanced muddy in the sound signature, and just do not sound good compared to equally priced headphones. The bass impact is the only strong point, but itnis muddy and over shaddows the other frequency ranges. None of my headphones or inears have ever had issues with bass while flying, so trying to use that as an excuse doesnt fly. Build quality is crap on beats. If you buy them as fashion accessories fine, but stop trying to push them as quality headphones, because they are not.

 

[god-bluff]

Glad they opened your thread back up God-bluff...something humorous about a thread where the sole purpose is to hate on a brand and troll its supporters!

That aside, I've noticed that you rail particularly hard on the build quality of Beats; often regaling us with examples of broken Beats like the Studios in the 'deserted' audio shop you just mentioned. I'm beginning to get a vision in my head of you running about the UK smashing the daylights out of every pair of Beats that you can get your hands on! :eek:

jk (not Rowling. Hmmm, speaking of her, maybe you can reach out to ask if 'he who must not be named' could endorse 'the headphones that must not be heard'...fitting, it would seem.)


EDIT: although you weren't the OP, I feel like you're the defacto owner at this point...

Yes thanks I was distraught when it went down the other day due to things getting out of hand. Its all supposed to be a bit of fun really. I did actually disappear for a while(doubt anyone noticed or Cared) and changed my name slightly (just added a hyphen) but unfortunately for everyone else I'm back,
at least for now!

As for destroying Beats you caught me bang to rights. There is indeed a reason why there are no working Beats in the UK but please don't tell Dr Dre and his friends!

cheers

 

[inthere]

Right. Thats a pretty bold statement.

............backed up by 30+years of pro audio experience of mixing, engineering, and mastering including building my own speakers and microphones.

 

[chef8489]

............backed up by 30+years of pro audio experience of mixing, engineering, and mastering including building my own speakers and microphones.

So everyone else besides you is wrong? Including everyone I have known since and worked in depth with since the 90s such as Jerry Harvey,, Carl Cartwright and so on and me being a musician since I was 4. We couldn't possibly know what bass truly is? Or all my friends that are in the industry of mixing, recording, or producing records for labels throughout the country? Serious. You have people on these forums with experience you have no clue about that usually don't talk about it much, Its Just plain and simple rubbish. I have gone in completely open minded over the years about Beats and a few other brands, and it is just the same bad quality. If it were not for the big names endorsing  it, the big box stores having them in prime locations, and all the advertising, it really would have died out a long time ago. People make excuses for how they sound. People make excuses for the poor build quality all because what they are fed by society. Majority of time you see people wearing them around their neck and not even listening to them. They first and foremost a status symbol and second a fashion accessory and third a pair of headphones to listen to music. What they are not are Studio grade headphones or quality headphones. If people want them for those reasons more power to them, but stop pretending they are all that and a bag of chips. They will fall apart either before or right after the warranty is up.
 
I have said my share. Its just like the pod people. You can not convince them there are other options out there and it is a waste of my time trying to. If you are happy with your products excellent. I truly hope you enjoy your music and love every minute of it. If you are looking at Beats Please audition other headphones prior to purchasing and research to make the right decision. If you choose them then I hope you are happy with them. Lets talk about music and go get a drink together. We can still be friends.
 
Edit And for the record. There are people out there that have been in the music industry mixing and producing that dont know what the heck they are doing or just cant hear worth a dang. Not saying that is you, but there are a lot of people out there, that is why there are such bad recordings and masters. I have been to several sessions where that was the case.

 

[inthere]

If someone identifies high end headphones like the HD 800 as Studio quality, I call them out as not knowing what they're talking about.

I never said Beats had great build quality and in fact have broken quite a few pairs. Build quality is complete utter crap.

I have a database of tested recorded headphones compared against original recordings for accuracy. So when I talk about accurate and correct bass, I've actually studied and tested it extensively. If someone tells me a high end headphone has correct bass and I know they're wrong, I can actually let them hear a recording through the headphone so that they can compare it themselves against the original signal:



I said I bought Beats because I liked the sound.

I acknowledged the marketing factor but I also said a large percentage of people heard them before buying them in stores and at least some of those people came away very impressed after hearing them.

Assuming that absolutely not a single person out of the tens of millions that heard them in stores liked the sound, including me, is incorrect.