What's so bad about Bose?

Nov 20, 2009 at 4:38 AM Post #136 of 194
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Originally Posted by Drag0n /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Over 30,000 posts and you listen to BOSE too??? Whats this world coming too???!!!!

WAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!
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I actually use my in-ears as my throw around cans. I got them for how much they are worth I think - $30 bucks.
 
Jan 1, 2010 at 7:27 PM Post #139 of 194
I was in a BestBuy the other day and noticed that the Bose demo area now had three of the four phones available for comparison (Some displays only feature 1 or 2). Since I'd just contributed the other day with a few comments about Bose (from memory), I thought I'd upgrade my memory.

I found the OEs to be really bassy but in the worst possible way. No doubt, there's a lot slam there but the presentation was so thick that the female voice, telling you to listen for the clarity of the vocals, was raspier than Jody Foster with a case of whooping cough. She could have stood in for James Earl Jones yammering, "THIS is C-N-N!" I think she must be Luke's father. No wonder Obiwan kept it a secret. Anakin's a she-male!

The AE's were less bassy, in both senses of the word. They were less muddy but the bass impact was sliced and diced, removing the whole reason to listen to either of these phones. They're more comfortable than the OE's, since they don't sit on the ears, but they're so small, my ears barely fit inside those plastic shells. The sound was crap. Whatever sacrifices a person might make to listen to the OEs, at least they had slamming bass. These didn't even have that.

BestBuy didn't have the QC3 on display but it did have the QC15 (The QC3 is the more expensive version of the QC15, more expensive because it fits the QC15 into a smaller package). The QC15 is an upgraded version of the OEs, with noise cancelling technology (something Bose, himself, patented more than three decades ago for aviation headsets). To give credit where credit is due, the QC15 sounds a lot better than the OEs. It's still muddy but not as much so as the OEs, but it has some (if not all) of the OE bass. If you were going to go Bose, this would be the headphone to buy. Unfortunately, it's $300.

Should anybody pay $300 for a Bose that doesn't totally suck? The same $300 would buy you a Grado SR-325 (or a 225 with a hundred dollars left over). Online, you could get a brand new HD600 or an AKG K-701. You could get an Audio Technica ATH-AD900. You could get a beyerdynamic DT880 (or, with a few dollars more, the 990). You could get a Sony MDR-DS6000. You could have an Ultrasone HF1-780 or a Pro 550/650. All of these choices would give you better sound for the same or less money.

What really struck me as interesting, this time around, was the sales pitch - voiced by Darth Husky and supplemented by a matching video display. I challenge anybody with a few minutes to spare to check this out. While you're listening, a voice comes on saying things like, "Notice the clarity of the vocals" - followed by the muddiest vocals you've ever heard. The musical selections skew toward vocals, with plucky guitars and a strong bass beat (which would be prominent on any set of headphones). Each selection is introduced by this husky female voice complimenting some WEAKNESS of the Bose presentation. It's like hypnosis. Whatever the voice tells you, it's just the opposite of what you're hearing. The only sonic quality that stood out was the heavy bass. THAT'S what Bose is selling.

The people who are buying Bose aren't people who buy headphones. They're people whose only headgear has been the stuff they give away on planes. If your idea of a headphone is something you can pick up at Walmart for under $40, you're easy prey for the Bose marketing machine. They DO sound better than something you'd fetch for 1,000 points at a Chuck E. Cheese - just not against any decent audiophone at the same price. This is why Bose is the punchline of the audio world - and no less so at HeadFi. In presenting itself as the headphone of audiophiles, it has become the choice of audiofools. Its arrogance is matched only by its greed. Those fooled by the marketing machine will probably never go on to hear a decent set of cans - and they certainly won't have the coin.

To be a Boseur is to be a poseur. That's why Boseurs get no respect around here. On the other hand, take a walk to the mall and Boseurs rule. While you're down there, you might as well shop for skateboard supplies at Zunies.
 
Jan 2, 2010 at 11:43 PM Post #140 of 194
Hello all,

my first post here. I can relate to this thread, as being a noob I too thought Bose products were among the best. I am attributing this to a lack of exposure to higher quality sound, and, while I was aware of audiophile gear, I've never auditioned any.

It wasn't until I've purchased a Shure SE 530 IEM that I realized a whole lot more could be achieved with proper equipment, and I thank this site to steering me in the right direction.

Back to Bose, I still think their aviation headset is great. Been using the X since 2004, no issues, can take a beating without complaining, cockpit heat, you name it. Also easy on the head with decent clamping pressure.

No matter the love, hate or indifference towards Bose, one has to admit their marketing is exceptionally effective.

Cheers,
Mike
 
Jan 3, 2010 at 9:52 AM Post #141 of 194
The heavy bass and receded treble of the OE Bose is being caused by the daft pads.

Inside, there is a ring of memory foam and this seems to suck the bejaysus out of the top.

I took the foam out and they became positively tinny. This means that the Bose OE are going to be very receptive to earpad mods.

Ian
 
Jan 4, 2010 at 7:44 AM Post #142 of 194
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Originally Posted by mwilson /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Hello all,

my first post here. I can relate to this thread, as being a noob I too thought Bose products were among the best. I am attributing this to a lack of exposure to higher quality sound, and, while I was aware of audiophile gear, I've never auditioned any.

It wasn't until I've purchased a Shure SE 530 IEM that I realized a whole lot more could be achieved with proper equipment, and I thank this site to steering me in the right direction.

Back to Bose, I still think their aviation headset is great. Been using the X since 2004, no issues, can take a beating without complaining, cockpit heat, you name it. Also easy on the head with decent clamping pressure.

No matter the love, hate or indifference towards Bose, one has to admit their marketing is exceptionally effective.

Cheers,
Mike



Well since you're saying aviation, i'm guessing those are for aviation purposes, not audio, if i'm wrong please correct me.

I do admit they do "sell" but i do believe it is only because of the ignorance of the customer. The more top end specialty brands are probably not one of the more common brands your average joe has heard of. Quite frankly, as this country ages, the dumber it gets and researching seems to be too much of a hassle and going by the stuff we see on TV is what seems to be relevant.

i was flipping through the television, and i ran across an infomercial selling Dr Dre's beats. I couldn't help but laugh when the woman auditioning them said "wow i can't help but notice the clarity of the highs and lows and the tightening of the bass within these phenomenal cans." As you can see, lots of audiophile terms, but only to the simplest form, but only an audiophile actually passionate about the hobby will catch this. My point is, your average joe watching this would actually spend 350 bucks on those cans not realizing you can get some Sennheiser HD650s for the same price brand new on ebay, but then again, when was the last time one of you guys saw a Sennheiser, Grado, Denon etc commercial.
 
Jan 23, 2010 at 8:28 PM Post #144 of 194
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Originally Posted by RPHC /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Bose. lol Bose. hahahahaha


For frick's sake man, that's all you've been doing in multiple sub-forums. Just digging up old BOSE threads and saying that.
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Jan 24, 2010 at 8:23 AM Post #145 of 194
Decent design, build, sound, ... quality. But in most peoples eyes not worth the price tag.
Aka -> overpriced.
 
Jan 24, 2010 at 3:46 PM Post #148 of 194
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik /img/forum/go_quote.gif
You can find many threads on this here.

But I'll take another whack. Primarily, Bose gear performs badly. I've been a musician over 25 years and Bose gear simply does not sound like the real thing. Measurements and a lot of others tend to agree.

Second, Bose uses cheap parts and materials. That radio might have $15-$20 of parts inside. Maybe another $20 for assembly and the box. The rest is all profit.

Third, Bose heavily markets itself as the best. Clearly, it is not. You can buy natural-sounding equipment made with better materials for less money.

Fourth, Bose has the ability to make quality products and chooses not to. Bose has plenty of capital, engineers, test facilities, manufacturing, everything. If management wanted, Bose could make excellent, high-quality gear. Instead, they make garbage and sell it at the highest possible margin.



Wow, seriously? This is awful. They are like the Wal-Mart of A/V, I didn't realize Bose was evil
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Thanks for the history lesson, seriously.

Oh and stop posting so much! 15k, seriously?!
 
Jan 30, 2010 at 10:50 PM Post #149 of 194
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Originally Posted by kunalraiker /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I will say, if you are looking at hometheatre kind of sound,then they are ok to buy,something that has a lot of ground shattering bass,satisfactory mids and no treble.


Good for watching a movie on a laptop then.

I bought a used pair if Triports and thought they were worth the $80 I paid; they seem to do a decent job un-amped with compressed phone/ipod music.

Then I A/B'd them with a portable amp and lossless music with real headphones (HD600) and I shouldn't have because these Triports really suck!

They are comfortable, but flimsy. They sound best out of my Nokia 5800 for some reason.
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so many headphones, so little listening time
 
Jan 31, 2010 at 12:36 AM Post #150 of 194
My father liked Bose products. He had Acoustimass speakers from the 80s (correct me if I'm wrong), and gradually bought a Wave and Acoustic Wave system. I think he even bought Bose headphones, not the QuietComfort ones. I think the sound is decent, though I've heard better systems that cost less. I think what sold my dad was the form factor. It didn't take up much room, especially incomparison to his old Marantz cassette deck, amp and turntable.
 

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