[Anavel0]

I'm going to make a prediction that one the surprises that @Jason Stoddard has for you is a Class D amp. One that doesn't sound like ass. You know it's coming.

I politely hope you're completely wrong. Also, Jason has said he hates Class D with a passion many times. Schiit, in my humble opinion, has nothing to gain from Class D. All of their amps are superior in every way.

 

[ScottFree]

Is the processor you're using proprietary? Is its name secret?

I politely hope you're completely wrong. Also, Jason has said he hates Class D with a passion many times. Schiit, in my humble opinion, has nothing to gain from Class D. All of their amps are superior in every way.

 

[RCBinTN]

Some conjecture on this gadget thing.

Consider four performances with Chris Thile playing mandoline.

1. Live, A=440hz
2. Recorded and reproduced, A=440hz
3. Live, C=256hz
4. Recorded and reproduced, C=256hz

They may all be very nice, but I'm going to say the two live performances are going to emotionally best the recorded, and the two recorded performances will be mostly indifferentiable to each other.
Let's do the same again but bring in Edgar Meyer on bass to lay down some foundational tones over which Thile's mandoline sings.

Now we've got honest to goodness skingasms during both live performances, but something is amiss on the recordings or live with any lessor bassist who does not precisely intonate. Or with instruments that aren't incredibly well crafted which we can reasonably assume these two possess.
Bear in mind the emotional weight of the minor third is all about sound waves being in the exact ratio of 6/5. A fifth only sounds powerful with frequency ratios of 3/2.

I wager tightening up the mathematical relations of all the frequencies reproduced is exactly what the gadget is intended to do, and what tuning it defaults to is arbitrary or entirely for convenience, and this would be done because time or phase alignment is lost during the recording process.


edit: Although I could very well be wrong <-link.

Thank you for the link. Very interesting stuff.
Mike has really got us all thinking...

 

[EricDH]

edit: Although I could very well be wrong <-link.

Interesting article. Thanks for sharing this.

 

[Marshall Hance]

...
More on the Gadget:
...
The Gadget is designed to facilitate the pitch but not tempo change from A4=440ish to C=256. There is a light to tell you you should be close. ...It is not designed to fix incompetent performances, like almost all new autotuned pop music. If the singer is sharp or the guitar is mistuned, they will still be AFU, only in a different overall pitch. If you use it with autotuned pop music, the music will still sound like autotuned pop music dreck. All natural slides and vibrato disappear. The result is a desire to projectile vomit reduced to an acidic burp-up.....

Reading again, this sounds like an autotune for complex signals. Those words in bold can be found in most autotune manuals!

 

[AudioBear]

Reading again, this sounds like an autotune for complex signals. Those words in bold can be found in most autotune manuals!

Not sure how you get there from what @Baldr said. He explicitly says it will not autotune. In its simplest form auto-tuning simply adjusts a note which is not one of the 12 tones to the closest tone. Too bad for bad singers like me that can be off several semi-tones. I think when Mike says "f you use it with autotuned pop music, the music will still sound like autotuned pop music dreck. All natural slides and vibrato disappear." he is referring to what autotunes do, not what the gadget does.

 

[Blue Warper]

Not sure how you get there from what @Baldr said. He explicitly says it will not autotune. In its simplest form auto-tuning simply adjusts a note which is not one of the 12 tones to the closest tone. Too bad for bad singers like me that can be off several semi-tones. I think when Mike says "f you use it with autotuned pop music, the music will still sound like autotuned pop music dreck. All natural slides and vibrato disappear." he is referring to what autotunes do, not what the gadget does.

This is how I got it too. The connection between the two statements seems pretty logical to me. (Now I hope I won't be proved wrong, though... )

Edit: To be clear, I concur with what AudioBear said.

 

[Marshall Hance]

slides and vibrato disappear only on more aggressive autotune settings.
I also would hope the gadget does not do that, either.

 

[AudioBear]

This is true. The point still remains that the Gadget should be simply changing the reference of the tuning and not changing tones relationships with one another. In essence a semi-flatted note will be equally semi-flatted. Or perhaps a sour note will now be sour in a different base tuning.

 

[dglow]

8. A=432 bites the hairy banana; C=256 *** rules.

Baldr, can you elaborate? I thought A=432 when C=256, and vice versa, given an equal temperament.

 

[AudioBear]

Baldr, can you elaborate? I thought A=432 when C=256, and vice versa, given an equal temperament.

Close but not exactly A432 corresponds with C=256.87 and C=256 produces A=430.54.

See @Marshall Hance link about http://www.sacred-geometry.es/?q=en/content/concert-pitch-a432-and-c128

 

[Baldr]

This is true. The point still remains that the Gadget should be simply changing the reference of the tuning and not changing tones relationships with one another. In essence a semi-flatted note will be equally semi-flatted. Or perhaps a sour note will now be sour in a different base tuning.

This.

 

[dglow]

Close but not exactly A432 corresponds with C=256.87 and C=256 produces A=430.54.

See @Marshall Hance link about http://www.sacred-geometry.es/?q=en/content/concert-pitch-a432-and-c128

Ah, I see. Thank you, Marshall Hance, that's a fantastic article.

 

[bosiemoncrieff]

Wrong thread I know, but magni 3 ups the value ante yet again. If it sounds like what I imagine it does, holy schiit, it might be a vali slayer.

 

[Baldr]

Ok, I need some help from the readers. I have been asked about how the Gadget works works with Chinese Opera and Hindustani Compositions. Could anyone point me in the direction of some English Language publications describing the technical nature of those tone scales? Thanks in advance with no promises, but it certainly does no harm for me to learn new stuff.