UPDATED 2/22 REVIEW 13 USB DAC amp - Predator, Pico, 2/3MOVE, D10 D3 D2 Viper/Boa D1, Lyrix, MicroAmp, Vivid V1, Nuforce, XM5

Feb 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM Post #1,021 of 1,096
When I get a desktop amp, I'll certainly go balanced....
 
I'm considering the D6 as my top choice, I've read that it's not much different than the D4, except for the rechargable battery, which is a huge plus for me.
 
Can the D6 function as a line out?
 
Feb 23, 2011 at 3:41 AM Post #1,022 of 1,096


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When I get a desktop amp, I'll certainly go balanced....
 
I'm considering the D6 as my top choice, I've read that it's not much different than the D4, except for the rechargable battery, which is a huge plus for me.
 
Can the D6 function as a line out?


Yes, the D6 AUX IN functions as a LINE OUT when using USB as the input, same as with the other iBasso DAC amps made in the last year or two.  The D2 Boa and Viper didn't have line out as I recall.
 
At some point I'll take a listen to the D6 and XM6 as soon as I can; but I'm trying to watch my money right now.
 
Feb 23, 2011 at 8:17 PM Post #1,024 of 1,096
Future-proof ? I guess if you consider an amp with line-out capability future-proof, then so be it :)
 
FWIW, I think you are making a good decision in that you are making a decision. iBasso seems to be hellbent on releasing a new amp every second month or third month, and here we are fast approaching the end of Q1, 2011  ...... trying to crystal ball their new product is a guaranteed path to indecision, IMO.
 
Feb 23, 2011 at 11:14 PM Post #1,025 of 1,096
Having a good DAC even after I upgrade my amp is pretty future "wise" IMO... I'm just curious a little bit about the Vivid V1. Seems much cheaper. So much for settling on one...
 
Apr 30, 2011 at 2:04 PM Post #1,026 of 1,096
Hello all,
 
This review is fantastically good for someone who is new to amps in general. So much info, that now I can't decide what I should be looking at even, hah. I have had my pair of Sennheiser HD580's for about a decade now and love them. I'm only recently starting to go portable with them. I've always had sound cards that powered them at home. Never had an external DAC/AMP. Weird perhaps, but it is what it is. So I have a Droid Incredible that I like being able to stream music from and it supports FLAC output too. It cannot drive my HD580's though, the volume is a whisper. It can only barely get some in-ear buds to decent levels of volume for when you want to just hear high volume music. I'd love to be able to tote my HD580's around with it and listen to my FLACs and even Pandora (upgraded to pandora one for higher quality, even then, it's only 192kbps, but I love the service).
 
Here's my issue though. I don't know if I can use my Droid Incredible's headphone jack connected to an AMP and then to my HD580's and get good sound. It seems most AMPs are being plugged into a Line-Out of sorts.
 
That said, could someone recommend what I can do here?
 
1. Can I plug an AMP into my Droid's headphone out and still get good sound (I have no way to test this as I don't have any amps)?
2. Assuming the above can be done, which amp would be best for my HD580's? The Viper? V1? Anyone with a pair of HD580's that has experience?
 
Thanks!
 
Very best,
 
 
May 2, 2011 at 4:05 PM Post #1,027 of 1,096


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Hello all,
 
This review is fantastically good for someone who is new to amps in general. So much info, that now I can't decide what I should be looking at even, hah. I have had my pair of Sennheiser HD580's for about a decade now and love them. I'm only recently starting to go portable with them. I've always had sound cards that powered them at home. Never had an external DAC/AMP. Weird perhaps, but it is what it is. So I have a Droid Incredible that I like being able to stream music from and it supports FLAC output too. It cannot drive my HD580's though, the volume is a whisper. It can only barely get some in-ear buds to decent levels of volume for when you want to just hear high volume music. I'd love to be able to tote my HD580's around with it and listen to my FLACs and even Pandora (upgraded to pandora one for higher quality, even then, it's only 192kbps, but I love the service).
 
Here's my issue though. I don't know if I can use my Droid Incredible's headphone jack connected to an AMP and then to my HD580's and get good sound. It seems most AMPs are being plugged into a Line-Out of sorts.
 
That said, could someone recommend what I can do here?
 
1. Can I plug an AMP into my Droid's headphone out and still get good sound (I have no way to test this as I don't have any amps)?
2. Assuming the above can be done, which amp would be best for my HD580's? The Viper? V1? Anyone with a pair of HD580's that has experience?
 
Thanks!
 
Very best,
 


Some headphone jacks will sound better driving the high impedance amplifier input than a headphone, but I don't have enough experience to say how your Droid will sound.  I do not believe it will sound worse, and you'd certainly get more power from an external amp.  
 
For HD600 (similar to HD580) my favorite portables in this review were the Meier 3MOVE and then the Vivid V1 for their great power with 300 ohm HD600.  The Pico, XM5 and iBasso D4 had just a little less volume levels, but the sound quality is a step up from the V1 if you don't listen loud.  The RSA Protector and SR-71b in balanced mode would be my new 1st choices for HD600, but they don't have DACs.  The Meier Stepdance also has plenty of power for HD600, but no DAC.  Vivid V1 is the best bang for the buck to drive HD600 with authority.  
 
 
May 2, 2011 at 11:22 PM Post #1,028 of 1,096
Larry, is it fair to say that you rate the Topkitted D4 alongside the Mustang for sound quality ? I believe you have posted to that effect, but I dont want to quote you out of context.
 
May 3, 2011 at 2:11 AM Post #1,029 of 1,096


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Larry, is it fair to say that you rate the Topkitted D4 alongside the Mustang for sound quality ? I believe you have posted to that effect, but I dont want to quote you out of context.


The D4 with HiFlight's OPA1611 topkit and stock buffers sounds pretty much exactly like my old RSA P-51 Mustang.  With the D4 I get the same sound plus a nice DAC, and more power, although at the expense of larger size and less battery life.  The D10 with topkit sounds close but it's not quite as open and extended in the highs (I think that has the TLE2142 and EL8201 buffers, but it's been so long I'm not 100% sure).
 
May 3, 2011 at 4:41 PM Post #1,031 of 1,096


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Some headphone jacks will sound better driving the high impedance amplifier input than a headphone, but I don't have enough experience to say how your Droid will sound.  I do not believe it will sound worse, and you'd certainly get more power from an external amp.  
 
For HD600 (similar to HD580) my favorite portables in this review were the Meier 3MOVE and then the Vivid V1 for their great power with 300 ohm HD600.  The Pico, XM5 and iBasso D4 had just a little less volume levels, but the sound quality is a step up from the V1 if you don't listen loud.  The RSA Protector and SR-71b in balanced mode would be my new 1st choices for HD600, but they don't have DACs.  The Meier Stepdance also has plenty of power for HD600, but no DAC.  Vivid V1 is the best bang for the buck to drive HD600 with authority.  
 


Heya,
 
Thanks so much for that. That's what I was looking for, someone who has the 580's or at least something very close to it (600's). Sounds like the V1 is what I need. Appreciate you taking the time to really review this stuff for those of us who don't have access to so many options!
 
Very best,
 
 
May 31, 2011 at 5:15 AM Post #1,032 of 1,096
Headphone Addict,
  Thank you for the fantastic reviews!  I had already ordered a D10 when I found your review.  I had been thinking that the D10 was preferable to the D4, because of the optical out, but you seem to prefer the D4 SQ with HiFlight's OPA1611 or the Vivid V1 (seems like a great deal at $99).
 
My current setup:
MacBook Pro >Pandora>Optical>D10 (on order)>DT770 32 ohm or HD650
 
Interested in your recommendations, keep the D10 and upgrade with a topkit? or return for the D4? or order the V1
 
How does the uDAC-2 compare?
 
Thank you!
 
-Mark
 
 
 
 
Jun 3, 2011 at 2:28 AM Post #1,033 of 1,096


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Headphone Addict,
  Thank you for the fantastic reviews!  I had already ordered a D10 when I found your review.  I had been thinking that the D10 was preferable to the D4, because of the optical out, but you seem to prefer the D4 SQ with HiFlight's OPA1611 or the Vivid V1 (seems like a great deal at $99).
 
My current setup:
MacBook Pro >Pandora>Optical>D10 (on order)>DT770 32 ohm or HD650
 
Interested in your recommendations, keep the D10 and upgrade with a topkit? or return for the D4? or order the V1
 
How does the uDAC-2 compare?
 
Thank you!
 
-Mark
 

 
I don't know about the DT770, but for the HD650 you might want more power than the D10 offers.  I've owned the HD650 a couple of times, although I settled on the HD600 for a slightly more balanced approach to the music.  The D10 has just enough to drive the HD600 to moderate volumes, but not enough to blast them loud and feel them.  If you need optical and a great DAC then there aren't a lot of other portable choices (Headroom has a nice portable optical DAC/amp but I haven't heard it), but the Nuforce HDP is a good choice for the Senns if you don't might plugging into the wall power.
 
The D4 has more power for the HD600/650 when you engage the 9v battery, and it's a little more transparent and open sounding, but that doesn't make the D10 a bad DAC/amp.  It's just the D4 is a little better.  Still, if I had to pick one of the two iBasso amps for my Macbook I'd pick the D4 to drive the HD650 (if it had to be portable, even if stock opamps).
 
The Vivid V1 is a lot of fun with the HD600, less so with other headphones if they have borderline bothersome treble; and because the DAC is not as detailed and spacious as the iBasso DACs I tend to classify the V1 more as a "fun" sounding DAC/amp than a "reference" one like the iBasso amps.  But you could pair the V1 with a nicer sounding DAC like the SuperPro DAC707 for optical or the uDAC-2 for USB, and have good detail and ambience with a very powerful amp - that is a good option too.  I don't know why the V1 has so much power with HD600 when it's charged by 5v like the D10.  Usually the HD600/650 need higher voltage swing and a 9v or 12v amp does a better job.
 
The uDAC-2 would be similar to a D10 in power, but without the optical or battery option, and maybe with a little worse low volume channel imbalance.  The uDAC-2 line-out sounds a little better than it's headphone amp, and although the amp is still very enjoyable the RCA outputs are even more impressive.  Listening to it's headphone amp might sound most like a Pico DAC-only feeding an iBasso T3.  It's enough to enjoy my HD600 but not enough to really draw out the most performance from them.  
 
Few portable amps really do justice to the HD600/650 - among the high-end portable amps that do the best with them are the balanced SR-71b, balanced Protector, Stepdance, and 3MOVE in that order; followed by the Pico, XM5 and D4 which are slightly less powerful even with 9v power like the Meier amps.  I'd say all of those are top tier portable amps in terms of transparency and refinement.  The V1 has a few flaws with other headphones putting them in the second tier, but when paired with the HD600/650 those flaws seem to fade away and not get noticed very much.  Like I said, it's a fun amp to pair with the HD600, and HD650 should be even better with this particular amp since it will fill in the missing highs I missed with the HD650.
 
Jun 3, 2011 at 2:36 AM Post #1,034 of 1,096
This is a great review. HPA, do you think the D10 is the best (or better) choice for a portable amp with optical out? I'm thinking of using it with my H140.

Thank you!
 
Jun 3, 2011 at 2:39 AM Post #1,035 of 1,096
Larry, did you ever get a chance to hear the P4 or the D6 when they were released earlier this year ? I didnt have any hard-to-drive cans when I got my P4, but it had effortless power into anything you can see in my sig - I rarely got beyond 9am on the dial !
 

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