[Arnaldo]

Horns on the Ed 10 can indeed sound glorious. The horn section in the first movement of Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra - on a Philips SACD with Seiji Ozawa - displays the Ed 10's absolute control over that full-metal blast. Its precision when handling those powerful bursts is on par with concert-hall realism. Actually, maybe the issue with the Ed 10 is that its presentation is so very un-headphone like, and instead, more like a concert-hall perspective.
 
As to the PS1000, I was also very impressed some time ago with its performance after a rather brief audition, but decided to put it aside because of the somewhat lukewarm reception it got. Either way, I now know that I'm better off trusting my own ears, instead of relying on say so.
 
OTOH, it seems that the way opinions are formed and propagated in some audio circles is directly related to the metaphor of the blind leading the blind, or more appropriately, the deaf leading the deaf. Then there's the one about the sheep jumping off a cliff...
 
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I know two headphone models that when paired with my headphone amplifier beat the Grado PS1000, at least in some terms. These are Ultrasone Edition 10 and AKG K1000 via a DIY adapter (Neutrik/Cordial/Furutech). And I don't care for anybody's "experience". Given the K1000 results I believe I heard what I should while connecting the HD800 or the T1 to my amp paired with several sources. And it was pretty behind the three I mentioned at the beginning, say the Grado being closer but still better. My friend and I think that horns sound great on the Edition 10. Is this just the Furutech FP-704 responsible for the difference? Considering the Edition 10's price, replacing the jack plug seems mandatory. I'm planning to perform a direct comparison of the Edition 10 to the K1000.

 

 

[maverickronin]

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Then there's the one about the sheep jumping off a cliff...
 

That's lemmings, not sheep...

 

[Katun]

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Hilarious...good acting, or rather "reacting."  Truth by told with the portable source he was using the results must have been quite bad, indeed.  To be fair, the Edition 10 performs much better with high-end sources, although better is a relative term here.  It doesn't scale down as the Edition 8s do, for sure.

Yeah, I suspected those would improve greatly with source and amp, but the video was still funny on it's own; even if he was acting...

 

 

[Arnaldo]

For those who prefer to go fully balanced all the way, Ultrasone just unveiled the Edition 10 Balanced at the Munich High End 2011 show.
http://www.timelord.co.jp/news/2011/05/02/314/
 

 

[googleli]

Ok, my ED10 and LCD2 have to take a back seat for the time being:
 

 

[alota]

has always existed.
aldo
 
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For those who prefer to go fully balanced all the way, Ultrasone just unveiled the Edition 10 Balanced at the Munich High End 2011 show.
http://www.timelord.co.jp/news/2011/05/02/314/
 

 

 

[Arnaldo]

I don't get it... According to the Ultrasone Edition page on Facebook, they were just unveiled:

 

ULTRASONE Edition Headphones
"ULTRASONE AG presents balanced headphones for Hifi-purists at High-End 2011 - The Bavarian Headphone specialist shows his balanced top-of-the-line headphones at the Munich HiFi-Show "High End 2011". For the first time, also the open back reference headphone Edition 10 for highest demands in sound is shown to the public." May 9 at 4:51am
 
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150185478143676&id=297724498675
 
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has always existed.
aldo
 

 

 

[alota]

I say this because when the headphone is out, a person I know has ordered a balanced version
aldo
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I don't get it... According to the Ultrasone Edition page on Facebook, they were just unveiled:

 

ULTRASONE Edition Headphones
"ULTRASONE AG presents balanced headphones for Hifi-purists at High-End 2011 - The Bavarian Headphone specialist shows his balanced top-of-the-line headphones at the Munich HiFi-Show "High End 2011". For the first time, also the open back reference headphone Edition 10 for highest demands in sound is shown to the public." May 9 at 4:51am
 
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150185478143676&id=297724498675
 
 

 

 

[svyr]

>Truth by told with the portable source he was using the results must have been quite bad, indeed. To be fair, the Edition 10 performs much better with high-end sources, although better is a relative term here. It doesn't scale down as the Edition 8s do, for sure.

looks more like some sort of resonances in the cups (mids looks like > 20% THD+N @ 2khz ,with 1% being quite audible ) and problems with the low end (really bad too)("Escaping pressure from the earcups distort the extremes of the low frequency sound causing essentially soft clipping distortion"). Implying a design not a source problem.

but suuure, we believe you. soooource/aaaaamp...

 

[jherbert]

Well, Ultrasone also claim they sound great. 
 

I don't get it... According to the Ultrasone Edition page on Facebook, they were just unveiled:

 

 

[Arnaldo]

As I wrote in a previous post, "... Either way, I now know that I'm better off trusting my own ears, instead of relying on say so. OTOH, it seems that the way opinions are formed and propagated in some audio circles is directly related to the metaphor of the blind leading the blind, or more appropriately, the deaf leading the deaf. Then there's the one about the sheep jumping off a cliff..."
 
One way or another, claims by manufacturers and critics alike are based on marketing interests, either to sell products or advertisement.
 
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Well, Ultrasone also claim they sound great.

 

 

[winzzz]

haha rofl..
 
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Well, Ultrasone also claim they sound great. 
 

 

 

 

[svyr]

Well, Ultrasone also claim they sound great. 
 

 

lol... so they're not really disputing the horrible measurements and flawed design ?


>Either way, I now know that I'm better off trusting my own ears, instead of relying on say so.

that's nice?

 

[brasewel]

I had a long listen to the ED 10s this past weekend and they were WAY too bright. Are all the ED 10s this bright or could it have been the infamous earpad problem?

 

[majkel]

Are there any relevant graphs for competing models? There is a lot of electroacoustic equipment that measure horrible. Just dig youtube or turn off smoothing on HeadRoom graphs. This is a smart trick to hide the fact that many hi-end headphone models cut off certain audible frequencies.

And the link:
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=-1&graphID[]=863&graphID[]=283&graphID[]=853