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[grokit]

The Cure's Disintegration (Deluxe Edition) (2LP 180 Gram Vinyl) was recently reduced to $20 including shipping.
 

 
Also includes the Mp3 "autorip". Not really my thing but this seems like an album worth owning.
 
"It's fitting that Disintegration was their commercial breakthrough, since, in many ways, the album is the culmination of all the musical directions the Cure were pursuing over the course of the '80s."

 

[Eee Pee]

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• Which one do I get?

1. Dave Brubeck's Time out labels include Columbia, CBS, Analogue Productions and then has random ones such as Not Now Music

 
The most expensive new one Elusivedisc or Musicdirect or Needledoctor has in stock is an easy indication of what's the newest, and hopefully best version available.
 
With Dave Brubeck Time Out in particular I must say my Classic Records single sided 45s I got in the mid 90s is the best I've heard of that recording compared to anything released PRIOR to that.  I have originals and a couple reissues.  I've not had the pleasure of hearing the most recent reissues but that 200 gr double 45 recent release is tempting me.
 
 
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Also what do you guys do with like mainstream or newer music?

 
Buy it and hope you get a nice copy.  Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised, sometimes I'm shocked they let the record leave the pressing plant.  Total roll of the dice.

 

[LemanRuss9]

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First you need a budget.
 

its around 400 USD

 

[johnman1116]

Thanks for the advice Eee Pee.
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The most expensive new one Elusivedisc or Musicdirect or Needledoctor has in stock is an easy indication of what's the newest, and hopefully best version available.
 
With Dave Brubeck Time Out in particular I must say my Classic Records single sided 45s I got in the mid 90s is the best I've heard of that recording compared to anything released PRIOR to that.  I have originals and a couple reissues.  I've not had the pleasure of hearing the most recent reissues but that 200 gr double 45 recent release is tempting me.
 
Buy it and hope you get a nice copy.  Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised, sometimes I'm shocked they let the record leave the pressing plant.  Total roll of the dice.

 

[reeltime]

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I have a question about buying vinyl again. This time is isnt so much as to where to buy it but how or what I should buy. (its also confusing because all these labels tend to buy each other out)

• There are so many different label s on just one specific album especially the older ones. Which one do I get?

1. Dave Brubeck's Time out labels include Columbia, CBS, Analogue Productions and then has random ones such as Not Now Music
2. Does one for for name brands such as Mofi, Analogue Productions ($20-60-infinity) and maybe even Sony, Atlantic, Capitol ($30ish) or just get whatever for $20 or less off ebay.

 
I suppose this is why there are record stores and sites like elusivedisc because hopefully they dont sell sucky sounding albums (in the case of engineering production and not musically). Not saying that they dont at all but maybe less than ebay since they're sort of like collectors. 
 
I was a little naive about labels when purchasing records for the first time and just bought based on price and accessibility (amazon and ebay)Thankfully I got lucky and most of them were capitol or Atlantic which I can live with and I guess i will return the no name brands and try again. 
Also what do you guys do with like mainstream or newer music?
 
Sorry im all over the place with my writing. Im a bit sad because The Orbit turntable got pushed back 2 months due to actual exceeding expected number of units.
Thanks,

 
Well unfortunately, just because a record is new and 'remastered', it doesn't necessarily make it better.  I'll give you the same advice I received (was it MorbidToaster?)-- head over to http://www.stevehoffman.tv and check out the Music Corner thread.  Tons of discussions about mastering, recordings, reissues and pressings.  
 
Generally, I've found MoFi recordings in M- condition to be a fairly source of quality used records.  Some say they EQ the bass a bit higher in their mastering-- but personally I find their pressings to be the standard bearer.  I'll take their Dark Side of the Moon pressing over any other recording, including the new 180 gram release.  
 
Original pressings are hit or miss-- as I sit here listening to a just-purchased copy of Goodbye Cream on ATCO with so much surface noise I can barely stand it.  Have to run it through a full AI cleaning cycle and see if I can knock it out.  Bummer.
 
2nd issues and beyond generally get worse.  Avoid all record club releases.  On eBay they care very enticing 'ultra-rare' language and you're actually paying extra for a bad sounding record.  Just say no.

 

[johnman1116]

Interesting, I just watched this the other day: 30:00

 
Thanks for the link reeltime. Found This List which seems pretty useful. I guess a safe bet would be to stick with labels such as MFSL, AP, Reprise and anything by Steve Hoffman apparently lol. I want a MFSL copy of DSOTM but im not ready to drop $100 on one album. anyways thanks for the advice reeltime. appreciate it.
 
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Well unfortunately, just because a record is new and 'remastered', it doesn't necessarily make it better.  I'll give you the same advice I received (was it MorbidToaster?)-- head over to http://www.stevehoffman.tv and check out the Music Corner thread.  Tons of discussions about mastering, recordings, reissues and pressings.  
 
Generally, I've found MoFi recordings in M- condition to be a fairly source of quality used records.  Some say they EQ the bass a bit higher in their mastering-- but personally I find their pressings to be the standard bearer.  I'll take their Dark Side of the Moon pressing over any other recording, including the new 180 gram release.  
 
Original pressings are hit or miss-- as I sit here listening to a just-purchased copy of Goodbye Cream on ATCO with so much surface noise I can barely stand it.  Have to run it through a full AI cleaning cycle and see if I can knock it out.  Bummer.
 
2nd issues and beyond generally get worse.  Avoid all record club releases.  On eBay they care very enticing 'ultra-rare' language and you're actually paying extra for a bad sounding record.  Just say no.

 
I found THIS and thought it was funny. Someone on there has 300-500 records he hasnt listened too.. insane.

 

[MorbidToaster]

Well unfortunately, just because a record is new and 'remastered', it doesn't necessarily make it better.  I'll give you the same advice I received (was it MorbidToaster?)-- head over to http://www.stevehoffman.tv and check out the Music Corner thread.  Tons of discussions about mastering, recordings, reissues and pressings.  

Generally, I've found MoFi recordings in M- condition to be a fairly source of quality used records.  Some say they EQ the bass a bit higher in their mastering-- but personally I find their pressings to be the standard bearer.  I'll take their Dark Side of the Moon pressing over any other recording, including the new 180 gram release.  

Original pressings are hit or miss-- as I sit here listening to a just-purchased copy of Goodbye Cream on ATCO with so much surface noise I can barely stand it.  Have to run it through a full AI cleaning cycle and see if I can knock it out.  Bummer.

2nd issues and beyond generally get worse.  Avoid all record club releases.  On eBay they care very enticing 'ultra-rare' language and you're actually paying extra for a bad sounding record.  Just say no.

For the most part if you're looking at Jazz you'll get good stuff most of the time. The AP Jaz 45s are fantastic.

I especially like the Steve Hoffman cut of Waltz for Debby.

Recent MoFi is generally good though I find their early stuff to be slightly hit or miss.

I've recommended SH before and of course will mirror that recommendation. It's a good place to look if you go for speakers, too.

Noteable people to look for are names like Steve Hoffman, Kevin Gray, Bob Ludwig, and Bernie Grundman (you'll see a lot of stuff done at his studio).

Edit: I don't get people that buy stuff by people they wouldn't want to listen to. I understand collections but I take great pride in mine because it's all stuff I'd listen to.

 

[Chris J]

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Edit: I don't get people that buy stuff by people they wouldn't want to listen to. I understand collections but I take great pride in mine because it's all stuff I'd listen to.

 
Yes, I don't get why they buy it either.
I think it's called insanity!

 

[Skylab]

Every LP I have every purchased has been played by me at least once. Many of them have been played a LOT

 

[analogsurviver]

I do have a couple unplayed LPs - if I do not count doubles, less than five. And I found out I pretty much finished buying any new LPs IF they are not really new music/recordings. Of course I will allow for exceptions, particularly those that I wanted and they eluded "capture" so far - but I do not have DSOTM on every imaginable medium or pressing. I even skipped SACD for that matter.
 
I stopped buying music by people I would not listen to LONG ago. Those most dear and oft played should be replaced by now.
 
Regarding originals/re-issues; it really boils down to case per case basis. Best if you can listen/compare before buying - AND noting that exact copy dead wax numbers etc. Analog mastering can really make difference and if it is not too expensive, always worth getting the better one. 

 

[penmarker]

Buying LPs without listening to them? Cue in a long documentary about vinyl collecting.
 

 
Seriously though you guys should really watch this. Put aside an hour plus or so maybe in the evening or morning.

 

[BLACKENEDPLAGUE]

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Every LP I have every purchased has been played by me at least once. Many of them have been played a LOT

 
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Buying LPs without listening to them? Cue in a long documentary about vinyl collecting.
 

 
Seriously though you guys should really watch this. Put aside an hour plus or so maybe in the evening or morning.

I have... a lot of unopened vinyl and kind of feel like a freak

 

[reeltime]

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I want a MFSL copy of DSOTM but im not ready to drop $100 on one album. 

 
You can spend a lot more than that, if you're not careful!  But I picked up a M- copy for around $60 bucks on eBay-- It just took a lot of patience.

 

[awsanderson]

I bought a record from a band I'd never heard of before (Sallie Ford and The Sound Outside) just because I liked the album art, it turned out I really like the record and it gets a lot of playtime. 
 
Also my copy of Santana Supernatural finaly showed up sounds good but in dire need of a cleaning.

 

[MorbidToaster]

I bought a record from a band I'd never heard of before (Sallie Ford and The Sound Outside) just because I liked the album art, it turned out I really like the record and it gets a lot of playtime. 

Also my copy of Santana Supernatural finaly showed up sounds good but in dire need of a cleaning.

Buying based on art is really fun. I tell my girlfriend to do that when we go to the record store. She did it once and grabbed a record I already knew was good...Baroness' Blue Record.