TRINITY - PHANTOM Series - New thread + WORLDS FIRST PUSH PULL HYBRID IEM!*

[bule1101]

You are looking to short-sided at this.
 
The product will not fail or be successful depending on the Kickstarter campaign or the early sales.
 
Bob is trying to establish a Portfolio for Trinity, so that he has a model in each of the Major Price and style brackets.
 
Yes, now beacuse of the Discount for preorder and the Kickstarter, it will seem like they are canibalizing their own share, but once they are all out this will settle down. And wheter a customer decides to go for a Hunter over a Master 6, wont hurt Trinity at all, as Long as he stays within the brand.
 
 
The strategy is smart, and not unlike what car companies do.
Bob wants you to stay at Trinity once you made your first plunge into hifi.
 
Delta and Sabre are a great Start.
The master 4 is another setp up, and then another with the Master 6.
Once you really want to go all out, instead of going somewhere else and spending your Money, Bob gives you the Option to stay with Trinity and go for the Hunter.
 
There are still lots of niches left to fill so im sure that once the lineup is done and Bob gets his over-ear dream done, he will start thinking about what other models we might see.
 
Didnt mean to write this much:
 
Yes the master 6 and hunter might take away from each others sales, but not significatly enough and for a short period to render one or the other as "not successful"

 

[glassmonkey]

 

I think launching the Hunter now is a bad business idea. It may cause Bob to split his potential Master 6 market, and doesn't allow enough time for community feedback. I think that Bob should hold off on the Hunter till the fall with a delivery date for Christmas. That may also allow me to buy it.

It is great for people to be enthusiastic and I am sure bob really excited, however, I cant help but think it is too much too close this time. Would suck if the M6 ks failed due to hunter

(Didnt the original atlas campaign coincide with the vario?)

I don't think that we should be referring to the Master 6 Kickstarter that way. The more I look at it, the more I think that the big seller is actually going to be the Phantom Air. Other campaigns have made a lot of money selling bluetooth headphones that the Phantom Air will be far superior to. I think the Air is where the money will be, but it won't be where my money will be.
 
I don't think that we'll end up with an Atlas/Vario situation. I think it is hard to deny that the Vario campaign was hurt by the overlap. I look forward to seeing the new and improved push-pull Vario in the future, though I doubt I'll be in position to afford it. Maybe Bob would like to get some UK input in the future (this is me volunteering) and I'll get to hear it and contribute to development, even if I don't get to own one.
 
In other news, I gave the Atlas another listen recently. It is a really nice headphone and probably the most comfortable IEM I own.
 
I'll also throw my hat in for the Phantom 4 and 6 having tuneability akin to the Delta II. This could also be accomplished by selling the Delta II filters separately. I think that one of the Delta II filters, the gunmetal damped, might be a perfect match for the Atlas.

 

[jynxed]

glassmonkey, I agree that the air will most likely be the most popular in the ks campaign, good sounding wireless are few and far between, let alone come with the package Bob provides and customer care focus.

However, look at the Atlas campaign where there was a second product similar - the Helio as a single package it sold 36 and a few others as combo deal. The problem was it was just took much overlap with the Atlas, trinity chose not to sell them on the website in the end.

Now I know there is a big difference in price point between the hunter and M6 but are they aiming for a similar market of high end IEM enthusiasts. Hence my earlier questions about tuning and initial concepts that Bob had in mind, I am really interested in what Bob was aiming for with each and who he is aiming at in terms of signature preference.

One thing we are all guilty of at times is wanting it all now, alot of us here have a trinity product and really want to see what Bob comes up with next, my myself included.

Sometimes though spreading things out a little gains bigger sales, sometimes not, I guess it depends on many things.

Anyway I am hoping the M6 doesn't do a helio on us and disappear due to a product that is too similar.

Anyway since it is nearly ready, hopefully we will get some reviews of both and they will complement each other in terms of signature.

Edit: In other words I am confused what to go for right now as the waters have been muddied. Bet I am not alone

 

[nealh]

Here's my two cents. Although I imagine it's worth much less.

I did not see what happened with Trinity audio back with the atlas kickstarter campaign and Vario. But I was under the impression that Bob stopped it for development reasons not so much due to overlap and lack of money/interest. This is just my impression and may very well be wrong.

I see the kickstarter campaign for both the phantom air and Master 6, more as a method to garner capital fairly quickly to help Trinity audio get the products to market. I am going to guess, the funding goal will be modest to get the products off the ground. I am probably totally wrong.
A kick starter campaign seems to be a fast way to obtain funds(without loan costs or equity loss) to help a company maintain development and production. I am not sure if it's intended to be the full funding source in this particular situation. My impression is that Bob has every intention to make the Master 6 no matter what.

My desires for IEMs have never been in the high end range like Master 6 or Hunter. The only reason the master six is even a consideration is simply the price on Kickstarter.

I don't think, Bob at this point is concerned about cannibalizing sales of the master six with the hunter as much as getting these beautiful products to market and allowing people to hear them and help drive word-of-mouth sales.

I have no idea on marketing audio products but it seems that Trinity audio is trying to create the best sounding product at each price point since the needs of customers can vary so much.
You want to have the budget minded consumer covered as well as the mid range and high range consumer. It seems to me they are doing this well.

I think they are looking at the long-term and big picture not so much the short-term in the next six months.

 

[Podster]

Here's my two cents. Although I imagine it's worth much less.

I did not see what happened with Trinity audio back with the atlas kickstarter campaign and Vario. But I was under the impression that Bob stopped it for development reasons not so much due to overlap and lack of money/interest. This is just my impression and may very well be wrong.

I see the kickstarter campaign for both the phantom air and Master 6, more as a method to garner capital fairly quickly to help Trinity audio get the products to market. I am going to guess, the funding goal will be modest to get the products off the ground. I am probably totally wrong.
A kick starter campaign seems to be a fast way to obtain funds(without loan costs or equity loss) to help a company maintain development and production. I am not sure if it's intended to be the full funding source in this particular situation. My impression is that Bob has every intention to make the Master 6 no matter what.

My desires for IEMs have never been in the high end range like Master 6 or Hunter. The only reason the master six is even a consideration is simply the price on Kickstarter.

I don't think, Bob at this point is concerned about cannibalizing sales of the master six with the hunter as much as getting these beautiful products to market and allowing people to hear them and help drive word-of-mouth sales.

I have no idea on marketing audio products but it seems that Trinity audio is trying to create the best sounding product at each price point since the needs of customers can vary so much.
You want to have the budget minded consumer covered as well as the mid range and high range consumer. It seems to me they are doing this well.

I think they are looking at the long-term and big picture not so much the short-term in the next six months.

Man Neal this is more like $.35 cents Love it

 

[ezekiel77]

The words push-pull hybrid brought me to this thread actually. Having owned the ATH-CKR10 before, I love the clarity and depth it brought despite being warm and thick-noted.

However knowing that the Hunter will be a 4BA+1DD config, forgoing the push-pull tech, I'm really intrigued what it can do to deserve the flagship status.

The staggered release schedule is just fine. One big release building anticipation for the next big thing. Like Dunu's triple whammy release from DN1000 to DN2KJ.

 

[audio123]

The words push-pull hybrid brought me to this thread actually. Having owned the ATH-CKR10 before, I love the clarity and depth it brought despite being warm and thick-noted.

However knowing that the Hunter will be a 4BA+1DD config, forgoing the push-pull tech, I'm really intrigued what it can do to deserve the flagship status.

The staggered release schedule is just fine. One big release building anticipation for the next big thing. Like Dunu's triple whammy release from DN1000 to DN2KJ.

well iems from aliexpress have recently shown what they are capable of too

 

[glassmonkey]

I did not see what happened with Trinity audio back with the atlas kickstarter campaign and Vario. But I was under the impression that Bob stopped it for development reasons not so much due to overlap and lack of money/interest. This is just my impression and may very well be wrong.

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I have no idea on marketing audio products but it seems that Trinity audio is trying to create the best sounding product at each price point since the needs of customers can vary so much.
You want to have the budget minded consumer covered as well as the mid range and high range consumer. It seems to me they are doing this well.

I think they are looking at the long-term and big picture not so much the short-term in the next six months.

Bob launched the Vario during the Atlas campaign, and then relaunched it when it became apparent that funding would fail. The relaunch had a lower price, too low in my opinion, that made it so he would have had to sell way too many units to hit the goal. Personally, I couldn't back both campaigns, and the Atlas filled a niche for me--I wanted a headphone I could walk in the rain with. I think Bob needed every bit of the capital from those Kickstarters to make the products. I think that is why he has done pre-orders after that, because he can get the capital immediately and not do all the work of the Kickstarter campaign. However, a Kickstarter draws in people you never thought you'd reach, so for the big fund raising it is still the place to go.
 
I'm with you on everything else. I'm sure Bob doesn't need any one of us feeling paternally protective of Trinity Audio. It's his baby, he'll raise it how he sees fit. It doesn't mean me and others won't try to tell him what baby cot to buy.
 

 

[nealh]

Bob launched the Vario during the Atlas campaign, and then relaunched it when it became apparent that funding would fail. The relaunch had a lower price, too low in my opinion, that made it so he would have had to sell way too many units to hit the goal. Personally, I couldn't back both campaigns, and the Atlas filled a niche for me--I wanted a headphone I could walk in the rain with. I think Bob needed every bit of the capital from those Kickstarters to make the products. I think that is why he has done pre-orders after that, because he can get the capital immediately and not do all the work of the Kickstarter campaign. However, a Kickstarter draws in people you never thought you'd reach, so for the big fund raising it is still the place to go.

I'm with you on everything else. I'm sure Bob doesn't need any one of us feeling paternally protective of Trinity Audio. It's his baby, he'll raise it how he sees fit. It doesn't mean me and others won't try to tell him what baby cot to buy.

Ok. I did not realize all that about the Vario Kickstarter campaigns. That's too bad. I was clearly not correct. Thanks, I would want to spread misinformation.

 

[Jackpot77]

Looking at what has been written in various responses from Trinity recently, I think they are gearing up for some major promo work in thd next 12 months on the headphone show circuit and other trade/enthusiast events. I wonder if they have got to a stage now where the daily running costs of the business are covered, so they are just pushing out all the new products to get some of each of them into people's hands now, and are going to push the whole line harder once the initial customer reviews/feedback is up online.

That way they can focus on shifting more units later down the line at full RRP, rather than giving everything away at those lovely discounted prices in the next two months. Just my take on it - am personally in for either the M6 or Hunter (or both) and hopefully the Vario when they all launch. Already got the Sabre and Vyrus heading my way soon.

Going to be an interesting summer for Trinity fans...

 

[glassmonkey]

Looking at what has been written in various responses from Trinity recently, I think they are gearing up for some major promo work in thd next 12 months on the headphone show circuit and other trade/enthusiast events. I wonder if they have got to a stage now where the daily running costs of the business are covered, so they are just pushing out all the new products to get some of each of them into people's hands now, and are going to push the whole line harder once the initial customer reviews/feedback is up online.

That way they can focus on shifting more units later down the line at full RRP, rather than giving everything away at those lovely discounted prices in the next two months. Just my take on it - am personally in for either the M6 or Hunter (or both) and hopefully the Vario when they all launch. Already got the Sabre and Vyrus heading my way soon.

Going to be an interesting summer for Trinity fans...

I hope so! Good for Bob, bad for us. I'd love to see Bob at Canjam London. Make it so!

 

[ezekiel77]

Love the description of the Hunter. From the website:

"...until the point that those that you considered masters are masters no longer and are now the hunted and you are the HUNTER."

 

[Jackpot77]

I hope so! Good for Bob, bad for us. I'd love to see Bob at Canjam London. Make it so!

You say "bad for us", but I think PusherBob (tm) is actually looking after us in his own special way. He's chucking out all the goodies at the same time so people can devise which version they want and only pay for that, rather than be drip fed the next greatest thing ever every few months and end up buying them all!

 

[Indigo Bob]

You say "bad for us", but I think PusherBob (tm) is actually looking after us in his own special way. He's chucking out all the goodies at the same time so people can devise which version they want and only pay for that, rather than be drip fed the next greatest thing ever every few months and end up buying them all!

 
He had been drip feeding us.

 

[Spaceman24]

I apologize if these have been answered already (this thread is quite yuuuuge now), but I have a few questions:

1. Is the blue color exclusive to the M6 (KS special or something?) or will it be available for M4?

2. Has the Sabre started shipping yet? I'll need to cancel my order to change to the M4 and would like to know (can't catch 'em all like some of you ).

3. Will there be a trade-in option for upgrading Atlas to M4? If so, would the discount be greater than the 20% Head-Fi code?

4. Will the Delta (1 or 2) or Atlas filters be compatible with the M4?


Thanks all , keep up the good work Bob!