pinnahertz
Headphoneus Supremus
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An exaggeration, but I can see how you might feel that way.You could stop shooting down everything I say.
90 degree phase shift networks have been used in audio matrix systems for 50 years (4-2-4 quad, Dolby Stereo, etc.) I'm sure you can figure out how to do it.You could provide lisp code for Hilbert transformation so I could try myself 90° phase shift. I'm not sure if I can figure it out myself. Perhaps I could approximate it with all-pass-filters? After giving it some thought I admit it is an interesting idea for sure to have 90° phase shift prior to downmixing stereo to mono.
Well, this is interesting! I went back to look for examples where you have declared yourself right and anyone else who doesn't agree is an idiot (or words to that effect), claimed that 98% of all recorded stereo music benefits from cross-feed, and if anyone doesn't agree they're spatially deaf (or worse). It looks like the thread has been "cleaned up" just a tad, large groups of posts are now gone, others edited. But I do have all the originals in email notifications. I guess citing all those many occurrences would not benefit the thread and would just get deleted again. I can forward all of them to you privately if you like.No, I don't say I am right. It's you telling me I am wrong.
I'm not the one proclaiming superiority of concept, intelligence or hearing ability.We never debate as equals because you put yourself above me.
Oh look! There's an example now!Maybe it's the sound engineers with their "artistic intents" who are wrong? At some point artistic intent goes outside what is reasonable to accept.
...and you don't see what I mean from the above? I highlighted a few things to help you out. The red one, in particular, keeps coming up again and again. People's preferences make them ignorant, spatially or otherwise.I myself made music for year with excessive stereo separation because I was spatially ignorant and now I can see how wrong I was. I simply do not believe that most excessive stereo recordings are artistic intents. In my opinion excessive stereo recordings exists because:
- mixed for speakers, headphones ignored (less true nowadays)
- more appealing to spatially ignorant people (almost everybody)
- lack of sophisticated mixing tools (not true anymore)
- lack of understanding of the psychoacoustic problems of excessive separation.
You've sensed pretty much everything incorrectly about me, so why not just add that one to the growing list?I sense that you almost fear stereo sound with natural ILD and ITD,
And THAT from the same one who denies that choices in stereo perspective in headphones could possibly be artistic intent!but that's not a limitation really because there's so much more you can do in music, so much other possibilities for artistic intent.
Back to the deleted posts (about a month's worth) and edits for a second, I really have no issue with that, but it does indicate something. It has become quite clear that what little educational benefit this thread might have once had has been obliterated by intense propaganda promoting a polarized, but scientifically unproven viewpoint. I recall a time in the not too distant past on this forum when threads would have been locked for less. If education is at all important, perhaps a return to the actual scientific method in the sound science forum should be considered rather than foot stamping, and the synthesis of terminology, statistics, and pseudofacts.
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