There's Something About Ultrasone…

[Contrastique]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif Well don't press so hard, I'm 40 now...even though still can hear 20KHz...

I will be easy on you, poor "old" man

 

[Zoide]

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Originally Posted by Elephas /img/forum/go_quote.gif Dire Straits' "Brothers In Arms 20th Anniversary Edition" sounds very good with the 2500. Detailed guitar strums, crisp drum strikes and cymbals, with no harshness or sibilance.

What a coincidence. I was actually listening to Brothers in Arms (the song) yesterday on my 2500s. Great song/headphone synergy.

You should really heed my advice and get Rush's "Moving Pictures" album. Now *that* sounds good.

 

[Elephas]

Damn, while I'm typing (and crying), Sovkiller is flirting.

 

[Zoide]

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Originally Posted by Elephas /img/forum/go_quote.gif Damn, while I'm typing (and crying), Sovkiller is flirting.

And I'm here at the airport laughing like an idiot at my laptop. People must think I'm crazy

 

[Elephas]

Zoide, I've decided I don't want Sovkiller as buddy.

Can you be my buddy?

 

[Zoide]

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Originally Posted by Elephas /img/forum/go_quote.gif Zoide, I've decided I don't want Sovkiller as buddy. Can you be my buddy?

Hahaha, sure. I feel honored

 

[Dexdexter]

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Originally Posted by analog'd /img/forum/go_quote.gif you come off as adament here as you do in all your bombastic postings on the glories of singlepower amps. i say bombastic because for months and months anytime anyone asked about anything to do with an amp you just had to jump in with the fan-boy babbling despite it having nothing to do with the op's question or the general bent of the thread. now that is what i call nonsense. just because you don't have the ears to hear something doesn't mean its the emporer's new bow-tie. anyway, i am very sorry to see your limited vision has invaded this thread, and even sorrier to see that some very nice folks are allowing you to bait them, as others have elsewhere. but i am sure they will also learn to ignore you, as others have elsewhere.

You know, Jimmy, this is probably not gonna do you any favors when the next nominees for the Particuliarly COOL Head-Fiers list are being considered.

But it does speak to the bully-mentality that has been dogging many of the Ultrasone threads here of late. They climb aboard threads, demanding attention ostensibly to discuss red-herrings like sibilance and burn-in, which are really just a hair's breath away from double-blind testing on the topical value-scale.

When their quest for he-said/she-said attention is met with the anticipated resistance, they feign outrage, claiming they merely want to facilitate a "serious" discussion and just keep pressing onward, ad nauseum.

Sure, they could start their own thread, to the effect of "There's Nothing To Ultrasone...", "Ultrasone Killed My Puppy", or even "I Spent A Couple Hours With Ultrasone And So You're Gonna Accept What I Say About Them Or Else", but that would pretty much eliminate the likelihood of opposing points of view (well, except maybe Terry, who just probably can't help himself!

), and where's the fun in that?

So if anything, you're right Jimmy, we've been too accommodating and polite; this kind of trolling is a disservice to the members who are genuinely curious and interested, and plenty of helpful information gets buried under its indiscriminate spew.

I can imagine anybody trying the same tedious, repetitious nonsense on one of the Stax threads would be very swiftly shown the door!

 

[BigJohn]

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Originally Posted by Contrastique /img/forum/go_quote.gif I will be easy on you, poor "old" man

The Dude is not old!
40 years = "Grand Cru" the best a woman can have, but you learn as you live, my fair Contrastique...

 

[Elephas]

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Originally Posted by Dexdexter /img/forum/go_quote.gif So if anything, you're right Jimmy, we've been too accommodating and polite; this kind of trolling is a disservice to the members who are genuinely curious and interested, and plenty of helpful information gets buried under its indiscriminate spew.

You're making this an "Us versus Them" issue, when it's not and shouldn't be.

Sibilance and burn-in are red herring issues?

Fine, I'll stay out of your thread. Goodbye.

 

[Contrastique]

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Originally Posted by BigJohn /img/forum/go_quote.gif The Dude is not old! 40 years = "Grand Cru" the best a woman can have, but you learn as you live, my fair Contrastique...

Hihi, I know, that is why I putted 'old" tussen haakjes. Anyways, nothing against older people, they are far more interesting than the people from my age

 

[BigJohn]

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Originally Posted by Contrastique /img/forum/go_quote.gif Hihi, I know, that is why I putted 'old" tussen haakjes. Anyways, nothing against older people, they are far more interesting that the people from my age

A guy's gotta love you...

 

[Dexdexter]

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Originally Posted by Elephas /img/forum/go_quote.gif You're making this an "Us versus Them" issue, when it's not and shouldn't be.

No, those lines have been drawn repeatedly by others. So how else to respond to them?

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Originally Posted by Elephas /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sibilance and burn-in are red herring issues?

They probably shouldn't be, but when every exchange becomes "I'm right, you're not" they effectively become so.

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Originally Posted by Elephas /img/forum/go_quote.gif Fine, I'll stay out of your thread. Goodbye.

Sorry to lose you.

 

[Contrastique]

First of all this is not an attack to anyone. Dex, I think the most important thing is to stay very polite and not hostile.
I understand what you mean, but the best way to stop this is just to read over some posts and leave everybody in its value even if you might have the feeling they shouldn't be. By reacting on everything one can feel as a personal insault is just not gonna solve it. I think we have seen enough evidence of that. Give and Take. It is possible.
Everybody is to feel free of posting stuff here, though not prescribing what another person should hear or not. We are all adults (at least I thought) so we should be able to stop the bickering.
And Elephas, I do would like you to come back. You have added enjoyable things to this thread.
It is all about LOVE people.

 

[AudioDwebe]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yes I have done the comparison of course, how the hell do you think that I arrived to the conclusion of selling it, if it was not by a direct comparison... The only thing that I can tell you is that the Edtion is like if you remove the so called "veil" from the Senns. Well the PROLines that for many is a forward and bright heapdhone, after a comparison, you will notice that the Edition is far more clear, detailed, transparent, and more natural sounding, like textually if you remove a curtain in front of the PROlines, in my opinion they are in a complete different league, it is really curious how they using the same driver can achieve a so different and more apealing sound...the position of the drivers is different, the cup has a differnt shape and is padded in the interior, the drivers get closer to your ears as well...all of those "little details" lead you to a completelly new dimmnesion in sound...for weird that it seems... If someone tell me that before, and without hearing them side by side, I would never beleive such difference, is a realy nice experience to have, and if you have a chance I really suggest you to try one in a meeting or where you can find them... Nah you are my buddy!!!!...... You see that is an informed opinion that I respect, if you do not like them period, so be it, you gave them the time required and found them to be not your cup of tea, that is perfectly understandable, and fine with us, but you gave them the required time at least....this is a the way to go, see the difference? !!!! BTW we will be really interested in hearing your comparison as well, to see if it match our criteria or not, in anyway that will add more input to this thread...

What happens if Elephas hears no difference? Will that turn the Ultrasone world upside down? Or, how about if he hears just a slight difference, but nothing remarkable? What then?

If I'm understanding you correctly, your arguement with sacd lover has not been really about the Ultrasone per se, but rather burn-in, and how that affects the sound? The 2500 is the byproduct of the real issue, burn-in? You want his opinion to be based on what's fair in your view. "Fair" being a well burned in pair of Prolines being evaluated against whatever standard he may have.

Why?

If the sound initially wasn't to his preference, then no amount of burn-in will change that. We all like what we like and don't like what we don't like. Pretty simple, I think.

Oftentimes, I feel that burn-in has more to do with us getting used to the difference in whatever new component, rather than an actual, real-world change in sound. It has to do with how we go into that particular listening session and what our expectations are.

Back to Elephas...lets say that after this comparison he hears a huge night and day difference and his opinion is changed. Would he then be carried off on your shoulders like the quarterback who just threw a last second winning touchdown in the Superbowl?

Lest we forget, whatever conclusion he might come to and opinion he might express, it's still his "opinion." Not right; not wrong; just is.

Seems simple. Am I missing something?

Ciao,

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by AudioDwebe /img/forum/go_quote.gif Why? If the sound initially wasn't to his preference, then no amount of burn-in will change that. We all like what we like and don't like what we don't like. Pretty simple, I think. Seems simple. Am I missing something? Ciao,

Not so simple in the the case of Ultrasone this change is big, and thisi s not accurate, if you have not experience from first hand this change, you will never understand what we are talking about...Just look at how many members that initially do not like their sound, me included, later on liked it, ask James about that if you do not trust me, the change is big enough to make some persons love or hate the sound...Aslo the S-logic effect has a big impact, you need to adjust your brain for it, otherwise you will never like the presentation neither...
For others of course this will not be the case, if you are expecting a forgiving headphone, mellow highs, rolled off, bummy bass, soft mids, or a colored heapdhones, that will sound good with any recording that will not be the case for sure, get another heapdhone and just be happy...