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Ok heres the big issue, the HD800 cost $1000, they need a $1500 headphone amp, and a $1000+ DAC to shine. anyone with 2 braincells or that knows anything about them will tell you that (Go check in the Summit-fi section)
That is flawed logic. Why not also a $1500 headphone cable, $1500 power cord, $1500 op amps, $1500 player software, and so on ? The assumption that components should be "price matched" for optimal performance ignores the fact that not all components need to be equally expensive for the same level of performance, both for technical and economical reasons. Even with a <$200 sound card and $1500 headphone, the weak link can easily be the latter, because it is much harder to make a high quality transducer, and the headphone is also made in much smaller quantities, which means the R&D costs are divided between fewer units sold, making them more expensive. The same applies to "high end" boutique audiophile amplifiers and DACs, which have greatly inflated prices due to the use of exotic and often obsolete technologies (tubes etc.), and very small scale production, rather than because of sounding 100 times (or even at all) better.
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Also, they do have boosted treble peaks. And they knows to be analytical, so any remote flaw they will show. you need pristine quality gear and source files for them. They are definitely not for everyone.
If they sound flawed because of boosted treble peaks, then that shows flaws in the HD800 (and quite possibly the poorly mastered music which also has boosted treble to sound better on lo-fi equipment like ear buds or Beats Solos, and a lot of clipping), rather than the gear which is unlikely to have treble peaks, or properly correct them for that matter, other than by deliberate equalization.
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neutral..... according to FR, but plug in some headphones and you can instantly tell the treble is harsh and the bass is boosted and sloppy. No debate there. THS4032 all the way. But you are right about the rest.
Op amps do not care about headphones, except when actually driving them (which is not the case here). You hear harsh treble and boosted and sloppy bass because your Denon headphones have, well, harsh treble and boosted sloppy bass, which shows up on their frequency response measurements. The "cheap JRC op amps" are convenient scape goats. It is also easy to hear an improvement that does not actually exist when you know what you are listening to (and therefore expect a different sound), and swapping the chips takes long enough that you do not even fully remember what the old ones exactly sounded like by the time you listen to the new and allegedly better ones; the lost information is then filled by imagination and bias.
However, when used properly and for their intended purpose, op amps - even fairly cheap ones - are indeed neutral. You can find samples recorded from gear that includes (often several) op amps in the signal path
here, and try if you can tell them apart in an ABX comparator. The headphone output of the Xonar STX, using the stock JRC op amps, can be compared, too.