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Mar 27, 2024 at 10:00 AM Post #84,646 of 87,693
Yeah totally, lots of subjectivism here, I can see why people love the Trifecta.

I was really lucky to buy one of the IEMs I really was surprised with during the meet-up - UM Mentor. The moment I heard Mentor it was instant "ok you need it" - thing. Absolutely insane 3d stage, beautiful tuning and best mids I heard to date, including Storm and Trailli Ti. The mids of Mentor can only be rivaled by OG Traillii I believe.
 
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Mar 27, 2024 at 10:03 AM Post #84,647 of 87,693
I found Trifecta rather underwhelming during our Amsterdam meetup to be honest. From all the praise I read I was rather hyped to hear it and even set funds aside to potentially go for it next. The bass and staging are fun, but the tuning felt wonky, technicalities are far behind whats currently considered TOTL, including older stuff like Traillii and the treble spikes are as usually a deal breaker for me.

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My thoughts exactly. And as Rockwell describes ... "Western" (or perhaps he means American/Canadian) consumer style tuning vs the reference neutral with a preference towards technical excellence.

Maybe with a DAP, tip and cable synergy that is ideal? Maybe not. Don't get me wrong, Trifecta was engaging for being different and fun. I heard them out of a SP3000 + C9.

Since release, my local dealer has a zero sale sheet on the Trifecta.

Personal preference goes a long way. I'm not a XE6/Rn6 lover either but I know it's well loved by many. It doesn't suit my music or sonic preferences. Guess that's why some prefer to drive American Muscle cars. I'm just not one of them... I prefer that titanium road bike hand made somewhere in the Steamboat Springs, CO.
 
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Mar 27, 2024 at 10:06 AM Post #84,648 of 87,693
Yeah totally, lots of subjectivism, I can see why people love the Trifecta.

I was really lucky to buy one of the IEMs I really was surprised with during the meet-up - UM Mentor. The moment I heard Mentor it was instant "ok you need it" - thing. Absolutely insane 3d stage, beautiful tuning and best mids I heard to date, including Storm and Trailli Ti. The mids of Mentor can only be rivaled by OG Traillii I believe.
Seems we have very aligned preferences. Mentor is quickly becoming forgotten but still is a top tier offering for me.

Also a favorite of mine when it comes to mids, between it and CP622B but the Mentor is more dynamic and textured.
 
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Mar 27, 2024 at 10:14 AM Post #84,650 of 87,693
Seems we have very aligned preferences. Mentor is quickly becoming forgotten but still is a top tier offering for me.

Also a favorite of mine when it comes to mids, between it and CP622B but the Mentor is more dynamic and textured.

Yep I believe UM shoot themselfs in the knee a bit with the Cayin Amber Pearl stunt. From all the totl IEMs I heard last weekend, Mentor is certainly in my top3. I think its a good thing that it became far more affordable (3.5k new and around 2,5k on classfields) so more people can experience it and just like Traillii it may see a new peak of interest after more people have experienced it at lower price.

Really liked CP622B, Mentor felt more special though, cant quite put my finger on the "why". My biggest disappointment was probably the Trailli Ti, expected so much more after all the praise. Would probably go with OG Trailli myself if I had to choose. I heard it with Orpheus and really enjoyed the overall tuning and technicaltiies, the bass was tighter (I liked it more but I see why some people will miss the quantity of bass of the OG), the treble extension / detail was closer to todays TOTL standards, but I felt like some of the laid back mids magic got lost, which is at least to me the biggest achievement of the OG design. In the end, it was a very nicely build, beautifully tuned IEM with significantly lower res than Storm, Fei Wan or Anni 23... for a wooping 8.5k.
 
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Mar 27, 2024 at 10:15 AM Post #84,651 of 87,693
XE6 for me. Had a test ride for 1 year and then finally committed and getting a custom XE6. As someone said it is like party in your ear.
 
Mar 27, 2024 at 10:15 AM Post #84,652 of 87,693
I found Trifecta rather underwhelming during our Amsterdam meetup to be honest. From all the praise I read I was rather hyped to hear it and even set funds aside to potentially go for it next. The bass and staging are fun, but the tuning felt wonky, technicalities are far behind whats currently considered TOTL, including older stuff like Traillii and the treble spikes are as usually a deal breaker for me.

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Let's face it, 3DD's firing at each other was never going to be a technical success story but that doesn't mean it isn't 'fun' to listen to. Just my 2 cents, but I'm also not convinced we're on a trajectory of technical progress with IEMs, so 'old' and 'new' isn't much of a barometer of technical performance. As much as I dislike how UM tune their sets, I think their BC is the only notable innovation to improve technicality over the past few years. Sampling TOTL there are very few sets that actually set themselves apart and most are 'very good' and within the same realm of each other in the intangibles. Personally, Storm, Traillii, CP54E and Mentor are some examples that push the technical boundary in stage size and imaging and will remain strong contenders for the forseeable for that reason.
 
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Mar 27, 2024 at 10:22 AM Post #84,653 of 87,693
As usual, I make the mistake of listening to gear I’ve listed and then realise the error of my ways - both now closed :) Actually far too much of my library is perfectly suited to the synergy of RS8 and Perpetua. The below album from Polypores a perfect example.

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Mar 27, 2024 at 10:25 AM Post #84,654 of 87,693
Yep I believe UM shoot themselfs in the knee a bit with the Cayin Amber Pearl stunt. From all the totl IEMs I heard last weekend, Mentor is certainly in my top3. I think its a good thing that it became far more affordable (3.5k new and around 2,5k on classfields) so more people can experience it and just like Traillii it may see a new peak of interest after more people have experienced it at lower price.

Really liked CP622B, Mentor felt more special though, cant quite put my finger on the "why". My biggest disappointment was probably the Trailli Ti, expected so much more after all the praise. Would probably go with OG Trailli myself if I had to choose. I heard it with Orpheus and really enjoyed the overall tuning and technicaltiies, the bass was tighter (I liked it more but I see why some people will miss the quantity of bass of the OG), the treble extension / detail was closer to todays TOTL standards, but I felt like some of the laid back mids magic got lost, which is at least to me the biggest achievement of the OG design. In the end, it was a very nicely build, beautifully tuned IEM with significantly lower res than Storm, Fei Wan or Anni 23... for a wooping 8.5k.
As @aaf evo mentions, the Trailli OG still seems to have that magic that even the Ti can't reproduce, and the community knows that as good as Trailli is (the tuning, tone and techs blend being a top tier generalist) it is starting to lag behind the new players in pure techs.

Trailli Ti really seems like a last hurrah for the bird before they truly roster something completely new & fresh. Same drivers and internals but changes to the chassis are not enough to justify 8K imho. Saying this without hearing it, but I think I can get an idea of what to expect.

I trust Oriolus could create a new exciting flagship in the coming years. Let's hope!
 
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Mar 27, 2024 at 10:25 AM Post #84,655 of 87,693
Thinking the Anni bass is more satisfying than the Z1R is just mind-blowing to me. Just does not compute. To each their own.
 
Mar 27, 2024 at 10:28 AM Post #84,656 of 87,693
Yeah totally, lots of subjectivism here, I can see why people love the Trifecta.

I was really lucky to buy one of the IEMs I really was surprised with during the meet-up - UM Mentor. The moment I heard Mentor it was instant "ok you need it" - thing. Absolutely insane 3d stage, beautiful tuning and best mids I heard to date, including Storm and Trailli Ti. The mids of Mentor can only be rivaled by OG Traillii I believe.
I think when it comes to mids there are a few contenders who offer the best ! Oriolus and UM definitely up there but don’t sleep on vision ears 👀
 
Mar 27, 2024 at 10:31 AM Post #84,657 of 87,693
Thinking the Anni bass is more satisfying than the Z1R is just mind-blowing to me. Just does not compute. To each their own.
Yaaa z1R bass is something very special I still have never heard a bass as Raw and resolving.. definitely a specialist in the bass QUALITY department
 
Mar 27, 2024 at 10:36 AM Post #84,658 of 87,693
I think when it comes to mids there are a few contenders who offer the best ! Oriolus and UM definitely up there but don’t sleep on vision ears 👀
Yeah! Aura was insane it was certainly one of my fav IEMs of the show, grabbed @Alexzander unit quite a few times, if it wasnt for Mentor I could have bought it ;D

While I didnt felt that Auras mid been on the same level as Mentor, they are beautiful and its the textured bass impact and the physicality that really did set the Aura ahead of the competition, a truly great IEM. Might even trade my Anni 23 for it later down the road :)
 
Mar 27, 2024 at 10:48 AM Post #84,659 of 87,693
Yeah! Aura was insane it was certainly one of my fav IEMs of the show, grabbed @Alexzander unit quite a few times, if it wasnt for Mentor I could have bought it ;D

While I didnt felt that Auras mid been on the same level as Mentor, they are beautiful and its the textured bass impact and the physicality that really did set the Aura ahead of the competition, a truly great IEM. Might even trade my Anni 23 for it later down the road :)
Yeah, that textured bass impact is an underrated aspect of aura imo very satisfying happy you brought it up lol
 
Mar 27, 2024 at 10:48 AM Post #84,660 of 87,693
As @aaf evo mentions, the Trailli OG still seems to have that magic that even the Ti can't reproduce, and the community knows that as good as Trailli is (the tuning, tone and techs blend being a top tier generalist) it is starting to lag behind the new players in pure techs.

Trailli Ti really seems like a last hurrah for the bird before they truly roster something completely new & fresh. Same drivers and internals but changes to the chassis are not enough to justify 8K imho. Saying this without hearing it, but I think I can get an idea of what to expect.

I trust Oriolus could create a new exciting flagship in the coming years. Let's hope!
I think the pairing of the DAP, IEM and cable is very important. The LP6xxx DAPs really works well with the Traillii OG or TI. I am also looking at Oriolus to see how they can improve in the future.
 

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