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Apr 24, 2024 at 8:54 PM Post #87,511 of 88,325
Me too.

A golden IEM to me is something with warm-ish tonality (but still in the realm of “neutral”), no noticeable treble spike, yet highly extended and reveals everything there are in the mix, whilst also shaping a 3D soundstage, whilst ALSO has good “PRaT”. A few IEMs nearly hit everything here, but so far I have not heard anything that hits all of those points.
This vibes with my soul. I used to prefer a heavier lean towards warmth, and I certainly can still enjoy that, but my ideal sig has evolved into one which is ever so slightly warm in the mids, with healthy bass shelf, and smooth, extended treble, just enough to bring in plenty of detail and air, but never gets too bite-y.

Finally I am reuinted with Jewel after a long repair process. I missed that sweet DD. What a terrible listening experience without it, had to go back to my all BA set.
Congrats! I hope to spend some quality time with a set before too long. These are top of my list of IEM's I think will be my next big purchase. But I need to be sure before I make that kind of investment. From everything I've read, I think I'd really love them.
 
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Apr 24, 2024 at 9:02 PM Post #87,512 of 88,325
This vibes with my soul. I used to prefer a heavier lean towards warmth, and I certainly can still enjoy that, but my ideal sig has evolved into one which is ever so slightly warm in the mids, with healthy bass shelf, and smooth, extended treble, just enough to bring in plenty of detail and air, but never gets too bite-y.


Congrats! I hope to spend some quality time with a set before too long. These are top of my list of IEM's I think will be my next big purchase. But I need to be sure before I make that kind of investment. From everything I've read, I think I'd really love them.
I think they can convert a uni to a custom, If I had it to do over I'd get a used from the classifieds and convert it. Living without my Jewel sucked. Really wanna hear Fei wan. Love the way the Jewel DD jumps out at you while not polluting the rest of the sig. Jewel king of smoooooov. The centurion sharpens it up a bit. Currently my chain is Hugo 2 --> DHC interconnect --> ALO CDM. Stupid good, about the only thing I wish I had was the Mass Kobo 465.
 
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Apr 24, 2024 at 9:52 PM Post #87,513 of 88,325
I love when good mail day finally comes. New Vortex Seraphina and XWB tips arrived.

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Apr 24, 2024 at 10:03 PM Post #87,514 of 88,325
Let's talk about cables...

Last week I purchased the controversial CA Trifecta after having a pleasant surprise when demoing the IEM. I can understand why some people have mixed or negative feelings about this IEM. At a first glance and just out of the box, with the given cable and eartips, the sound can be a little overwhelming specially in the high frequencies, causing an impression of lack of separation and definition, while the bass overshadows all the rest.

I read A LOT about the Trifecta since the crafting and proposal got me really interested and I noticed several comments about tweaks that can really transform this IEM. And when this happens, it just changes the hobby for many.

Well, I am extremely happy to inform that after playing with different eartips and shifting between the original cable and the PW Audio Orpheus, I finally found a solution that brought me as close to my ideal sound signature as I never been before: and I mean that by even comparing my portable rig to my stereo hifi system and Planar Magnetic Headphones. My final solution didn't come cheap, but all the aforementioned systems costs more than 10 times the price of my portable set.

The final piece to complete my system (N30L DAC and CA Trifecta / Aroma Jewel IEMs) is the 8 wire cable Beat Audio - the Orbit Saga. First of all I would like to give Andrew and Leo at MusicTeck a big shoutout for letting me test the product with my gear. They are always extremely helpful and professional!! :)

Lets address the elephant in thew room - yes, it is an expensive cable, but it does what no other component in the system ever did. Also, I won't discuss the argument that cables don't make a difference, because in my experience with both speakers and Headphones, I have always noticed improvement with some high quality products. With the BA Orbit Saga is not different: it is almost as if I changed a chip inside my DAC, or attached a separate power supply or even improved the drivers of my Trifecta. Quoting their website, "Even though some may be doubtful, all frequencies are improved with sparkling and airy treble, smooth and sweet vocal, and deep and powerful bass. Moreover, you can experience a whole new level of soundstage and clarity." This is EXACTLY what the Orbit did to my rig.

After listening to this cable (and still listening now, while I write this, with a huge smile on my face), I felt compelled to do a quick comparison between the Orbit and the Orphy which I also own. My objective is to help those who are interested but can't find information or reviews about the Orbit Saga, considering that for the price this is definitely a niche product.

1) Packaging

The unboxing experience with the BA Orbit Saga is pretty similar to opening a jewel box, which should be expected for the price range. Inside the lacquer wooden box comes a beautiful and interesting glass sculpture of a folded cable that will be definitely seating in my office and a raw piece of the metals used in the cable. Its important to observe that the cable doesn't come with a smaller case to store and transport it as it usually happens with cables in this price range. The Orpheus in the other hand offer a very simplistic unboxing experience but offers a metal square case to store the product.

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2) Build Quality

I believe the Orbit Saga is the most well made cable I ever touched: the build quality is impeccable: the terminations are golden plated with elegant designs and laser engraved logo. The color of the materials inside the cable is beautiful to look at and despite being a thick 8 wire cable, it is quite lite and flexible - much smoother than the Orpheus.

IMG_3056.jpeg


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3) Sound

Both cables are exceptional choices and above this price point the perceived improvement is relative. I was very happy with the Orpheus and never imagined that a cable could improve the sound even more. In fact I've been using the Orpheus with the Jewel and the N30L for quite some time and was very happy with the transparency and signal optimization across the board, especially on the treble. The only negative point of the Orphy for me is the microphonics and how hefty the cable is.

The Orbit Saga has an even more revealing, micro-detailed tuning. It is like the opposite of Orpheus, improving the resolution and the retrieval of details, being complementary to the sound characteristics of PWAudio cables. With the Trifecta, the Orbit Saga addresses all the normal complaints of the IEM (lack of resolution, separation and too much treble) and adjust the wild characteristics of the Trifecta, keeping and improving its unique cavernous bass impact, now with more control and speed. All of a sudden, it is like the the cable bring the IEMs a few inches far from the ears, giving a bone chilling sense of space and air. If you use an airy IEM (as the Trifecta is) the synergy is godlike. I would love if everyone who didn't enjoy the Trifecta in the first experience could try it with the BA Orbit Saga and experience an unique portable hi end analog music experience!

IMG_3060.jpeg

All the characteristics from the system were improved simultaneously - all frequencies, speed, imaging, air, soundstage. It brings lifelike feelings to the music. My rig got particularly interesting because the N30L is not a flat or V shaped DAC, but its very musical. Aligned with the analog mids of the Trifecta and the final transformative adjustments across the spectrum caused by the BA cable, this system achieved a whole new level of performance - its maybe the better sounding system that I ever listened to (for my preferences).

I am a drummer and for me its very difficult to find a system that reproduces correctly the impact of a snare drum or the proper punch with control from a bass drum. This particular chain reproduces the sound not only of drums but also piano, orchestra, voices and even electronic music with dynamics and impact that one can experience in a live concert - and its pretty mindboggling at some points considering that such small drivers are inside the ear and at the same time sounding as if they are punching you in the chest. And this wasn't happening with that intensity, before I added the BA Orbit Saga to the chain. Not even with the Orpheus. So in the end, its pretty clear which cable is the best :wink:

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At this price ($7,299.00 for the 8 wire) it is difficult to recommend the purchase of such product. But if you have the chance to experience it or the funds to include it in your chain, believe me: it can as transformative and pleasant as buying a brand new TOTL IEM or a DAC!
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:14 PM Post #87,515 of 88,325
Let's talk about cables...

Last week I purchased the controversial CA Trifecta after having a pleasant surprise when demoing the IEM. I can understand why some people have mixed or negative feelings about this IEM. At a first glance and just out of the box, with the given cable and eartips, the sound can be a little overwhelming specially in the high frequencies, causing an impression of lack of separation and definition, while the bass overshadows all the rest.

I read A LOT about the Trifecta since the crafting and proposal got me really interested and I noticed several comments about tweaks that can really transform this IEM. And when this happens, it just changes the hobby for many.

Well, I am extremely happy to inform that after playing with different eartips and shifting between the original cable and the PW Audio Orpheus, I finally found a solution that brought me as close to my ideal sound signature as I never been before: and I mean that by even comparing my portable rig to my stereo hifi system and Planar Magnetic Headphones. My final solution didn't come cheap, but all the aforementioned systems costs more than 10 times the price of my portable set.

The final piece to complete my system (N30L DAC and CA Trifecta / Aroma Jewel IEMs) is the 8 wire cable Beat Audio - the Orbit Saga. First of all I would like to give Andrew and Leo at MusicTeck a big shoutout for letting me test the product with my gear. They are always extremely helpful and professional!! :)

Lets address the elephant in thew room - yes, it is an expensive cable, but it does what no other component in the system ever did. Also, I won't discuss the argument that cables don't make a difference, because in my experience with both speakers and Headphones, I have always noticed improvement with some high quality products. With the BA Orbit Saga is not different: it is almost as if I changed a chip inside my DAC, or attached a separate power supply or even improved the drivers of my Trifecta. Quoting their website, "Even though some may be doubtful, all frequencies are improved with sparkling and airy treble, smooth and sweet vocal, and deep and powerful bass. Moreover, you can experience a whole new level of soundstage and clarity." This is EXACTLY what the Orbit did to my rig.

After listening to this cable (and still listening now, while I write this, with a huge smile on my face), I felt compelled to do a quick comparison between the Orbit and the Orphy which I also own. My objective is to help those who are interested but can't find information or reviews about the Orbit Saga, considering that for the price this is definitely a niche product.

1) Packaging

The unboxing experience with the BA Orbit Saga is pretty similar to opening a jewel box, which should be expected for the price range. Inside the lacquer wooden box comes a beautiful and interesting glass sculpture of a folded cable that will be definitely seating in my office and a raw piece of the metals used in the cable. Its important to observe that the cable doesn't come with a smaller case to store and transport it as it usually happens with cables in this price range. The Orpheus in the other hand offer a very simplistic unboxing experience but offers a metal square case to store the product.

IMG_3058.jpeg

2) Build Quality

I believe the Orbit Saga is the most well made cable I ever touched: the build quality is impeccable: the terminations are golden plated with elegant designs and laser engraved logo. The color of the materials inside the cable is beautiful to look at and despite being a thick 8 wire cable, it is quite lite and flexible - much smoother than the Orpheus.

IMG_3056.jpeg


IMG_3057.jpeg

3) Sound

Both cables are exceptional choices and above this price point the perceived improvement is relative. I was very happy with the Orpheus and never imagined that a cable could improve the sound even more. In fact I've been using the Orpheus with the Jewel and the N30L for quite some time and was very happy with the transparency and signal optimization across the board, especially on the treble. The only negative point of the Orphy for me is the microphonics and how hefty the cable is.

The Orbit Saga has an even more revealing, micro-detailed tuning. It is like the opposite of Orpheus, improving the resolution and the retrieval of details, being complementary to the sound characteristics of PWAudio cables. With the Trifecta, the Orbit Saga addresses all the normal complaints of the IEM (lack of resolution, separation and too much treble) and adjust the wild characteristics of the Trifecta, keeping and improving its unique cavernous bass impact, now with more control and speed. All of a sudden, it is like the the cable bring the IEMs a few inches far from the ears, giving a bone chilling sense of space and air. If you use an airy IEM (as the Trifecta is) the synergy is godlike. I would love if everyone who didn't enjoy the Trifecta in the first experience could try it with the BA Orbit Saga and experience an unique portable hi end analog music experience!

IMG_3060.jpeg
All the characteristics from the system were improved simultaneously - all frequencies, speed, imaging, air, soundstage. It brings lifelike feelings to the music. My rig got particularly interesting because the N30L is not a flat or V shaped DAC, but its very musical. Aligned with the analog mids of the Trifecta and the final transformative adjustments across the spectrum caused by the BA cable, this system achieved a whole new level of performance - its maybe the better sounding system that I ever listened to (for my preferences).

I am a drummer and for me its very difficult to find a system that reproduces correctly the impact of a snare drum or the proper punch with control from a bass drum. This particular chain reproduces the sound not only of drums but also piano, orchestra, voices and even electronic music with dynamics and impact that one can experience in a live concert - and its pretty mindboggling at some points considering that such small drivers are inside the ear and at the same time sounding as if they are punching you in the chest. And this wasn't happening with that intensity, before I added the BA Orbit Saga to the chain. Not even with the Orpheus. So in the end, its pretty clear which cable is the best :wink:

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At this price ($7,299.00 for the 8 wire) it is difficult to recommend the purchase of such product. But if you have the chance to experience it or the funds to include it in your chain, believe me: it can as transformative and pleasant as buying a brand new TOTL IEM or a DAC!
The cable does not look like a $7,299 one, if you asked me to guess just by the look, I would not guess anything more than 10% of the real price.
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:15 PM Post #87,516 of 88,325
At this price ($7,299.00 for the 8 wire) it is difficult to recommend the purchase of such product.
That's one thing which won't be happening in my future. Thanks for the detailed write-up, though.
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:17 PM Post #87,517 of 88,325
The cable does not look like a $7,299 one, if you asked me to guess just by the look, I would not guess anything more than 10% of the real price.
The pictures don't do justice...
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:20 PM Post #87,518 of 88,325
Let's talk about cables...

Last week I purchased the controversial CA Trifecta after having a pleasant surprise when demoing the IEM. I can understand why some people have mixed or negative feelings about this IEM. At a first glance and just out of the box, with the given cable and eartips, the sound can be a little overwhelming specially in the high frequencies, causing an impression of lack of separation and definition, while the bass overshadows all the rest.

I read A LOT about the Trifecta since the crafting and proposal got me really interested and I noticed several comments about tweaks that can really transform this IEM. And when this happens, it just changes the hobby for many.

Well, I am extremely happy to inform that after playing with different eartips and shifting between the original cable and the PW Audio Orpheus, I finally found a solution that brought me as close to my ideal sound signature as I never been before: and I mean that by even comparing my portable rig to my stereo hifi system and Planar Magnetic Headphones. My final solution didn't come cheap, but all the aforementioned systems costs more than 10 times the price of my portable set.

The final piece to complete my system (N30L DAC and CA Trifecta / Aroma Jewel IEMs) is the 8 wire cable Beat Audio - the Orbit Saga. First of all I would like to give Andrew and Leo at MusicTeck a big shoutout for letting me test the product with my gear. They are always extremely helpful and professional!! :)

Lets address the elephant in thew room - yes, it is an expensive cable, but it does what no other component in the system ever did. Also, I won't discuss the argument that cables don't make a difference, because in my experience with both speakers and Headphones, I have always noticed improvement with some high quality products. With the BA Orbit Saga is not different: it is almost as if I changed a chip inside my DAC, or attached a separate power supply or even improved the drivers of my Trifecta. Quoting their website, "Even though some may be doubtful, all frequencies are improved with sparkling and airy treble, smooth and sweet vocal, and deep and powerful bass. Moreover, you can experience a whole new level of soundstage and clarity." This is EXACTLY what the Orbit did to my rig.

After listening to this cable (and still listening now, while I write this, with a huge smile on my face), I felt compelled to do a quick comparison between the Orbit and the Orphy which I also own. My objective is to help those who are interested but can't find information or reviews about the Orbit Saga, considering that for the price this is definitely a niche product.

1) Packaging

The unboxing experience with the BA Orbit Saga is pretty similar to opening a jewel box, which should be expected for the price range. Inside the lacquer wooden box comes a beautiful and interesting glass sculpture of a folded cable that will be definitely seating in my office and a raw piece of the metals used in the cable. Its important to observe that the cable doesn't come with a smaller case to store and transport it as it usually happens with cables in this price range. The Orpheus in the other hand offer a very simplistic unboxing experience but offers a metal square case to store the product.



2) Build Quality

I believe the Orbit Saga is the most well made cable I ever touched: the build quality is impeccable: the terminations are golden plated with elegant designs and laser engraved logo. The color of the materials inside the cable is beautiful to look at and despite being a thick 8 wire cable, it is quite lite and flexible - much smoother than the Orpheus.





3) Sound

Both cables are exceptional choices and above this price point the perceived improvement is relative. I was very happy with the Orpheus and never imagined that a cable could improve the sound even more. In fact I've been using the Orpheus with the Jewel and the N30L for quite some time and was very happy with the transparency and signal optimization across the board, especially on the treble. The only negative point of the Orphy for me is the microphonics and how hefty the cable is.

The Orbit Saga has an even more revealing, micro-detailed tuning. It is like the opposite of Orpheus, improving the resolution and the retrieval of details, being complementary to the sound characteristics of PWAudio cables. With the Trifecta, the Orbit Saga addresses all the normal complaints of the IEM (lack of resolution, separation and too much treble) and adjust the wild characteristics of the Trifecta, keeping and improving its unique cavernous bass impact, now with more control and speed. All of a sudden, it is like the the cable bring the IEMs a few inches far from the ears, giving a bone chilling sense of space and air. If you use an airy IEM (as the Trifecta is) the synergy is godlike. I would love if everyone who didn't enjoy the Trifecta in the first experience could try it with the BA Orbit Saga and experience an unique portable hi end analog music experience!


All the characteristics from the system were improved simultaneously - all frequencies, speed, imaging, air, soundstage. It brings lifelike feelings to the music. My rig got particularly interesting because the N30L is not a flat or V shaped DAC, but its very musical. Aligned with the analog mids of the Trifecta and the final transformative adjustments across the spectrum caused by the BA cable, this system achieved a whole new level of performance - its maybe the better sounding system that I ever listened to (for my preferences).

I am a drummer and for me its very difficult to find a system that reproduces correctly the impact of a snare drum or the proper punch with control from a bass drum. This particular chain reproduces the sound not only of drums but also piano, orchestra, voices and even electronic music with dynamics and impact that one can experience in a live concert - and its pretty mindboggling at some points considering that such small drivers are inside the ear and at the same time sounding as if they are punching you in the chest. And this wasn't happening with that intensity, before I added the BA Orbit Saga to the chain. Not even with the Orpheus. So in the end, its pretty clear which cable is the best :wink:



At this price ($7,299.00 for the 8 wire) it is difficult to recommend the purchase of such product. But if you have the chance to experience it or the funds to include it in your chain, believe me: it can as transformative and pleasant as buying a brand new TOTL IEM or a DAC!

Nice write up. I might ask Andrew to demo the Beat Audio cables out of curiosity. I didn’t get around to trying them at CanJam but I am intrigued.

The cable does not look like a $7,299 one, if you asked me to guess just by the look, I would not guess anything more than 10% of the real price.

Funnily enough I think it looks really nice haha but I can see the viewpoint of it appearing cheap too. I think my bias to green is showing here.
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:23 PM Post #87,519 of 88,325
the sound can be a little overwhelming specially in the high frequencies, causing an impression of lack of separation and definition, while the bass overshadows all the rest.
Does the Trifecta and the Bonneville sound similar? Because that's how I hear the Bonneville and if the Trifecta is similar then I definitely see why people don't like it.
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:25 PM Post #87,520 of 88,325
There's been plenty of discussion here and on other threads "cough - Storm" about FR and trying to EQ iems to make them sound like others. I got a bit tired reading it so decided to see what ChatGPT could come up with. To thicken the plot, I asked ChatGPT to make a manga storyline out of it. Here is the result. Enjoy!
Title: "Tune Quest"

Synopsis:

In a world where music is both magic and science, aspiring audio engineer Yuki Akagi dreams of creating the perfect sound. But when he stumbles upon an ancient artifact known as the "Harmonic Core," he discovers that his passion for audio engineering is more than just a hobby—it's his destiny.

The Harmonic Core is a legendary device said to hold the key to unlocking the ultimate sound experience. With the help of his friends, a talented musician named Sora and a brilliant programmer named Kaito, Yuki embarks on a quest to harness the power of the Harmonic Core and revolutionize the world of audio technology.

However, they soon find themselves pursued by the nefarious "Sound Syndicate," a shadowy organization seeking to monopolize control over the Harmonic Core for their own sinister purposes. As Yuki and his friends race against time to unlock the Core's secrets, they must confront their own fears, doubts, and insecurities.

Along the way, they encounter rival audio engineers, eccentric musicians, and ancient guardians of sound who challenge their beliefs and push them to their limits. Through adversity and triumph, Yuki learns that the true power of music lies not in perfection, but in the journey of self-discovery and the connections forged with others.

Themes:

Passion and Pursuit of Dreams: Yuki's unwavering passion for audio engineering drives him to overcome obstacles and pursue his dream of creating the perfect sound.
Friendship and Collaboration: Yuki's journey is intertwined with the bonds he forms with Sora and Kaito, highlighting the importance of teamwork and collaboration in achieving goals.
Self-Discovery and Growth: As Yuki faces challenges and confronts his own limitations, he undergoes personal growth and learns to embrace his flaws as part of his journey.
The Power of Music: Music is portrayed as a magical force that transcends language and connects people on a deeper level, inspiring creativity, healing emotional wounds, and fostering unity.

With its blend of adventure, friendship, and the magic of music, "Tune Quest" promises to captivate readers and take them on an epic journey through the world of audio technology and beyond.
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:26 PM Post #87,521 of 88,325
Does the Trifecta and the Bonneville sound similar? Because that's how I hear the Bonneville and if the Trifecta is similar then I definitely see why people don't like it.

Completely different sounding to me. DD mids and treble from Trifecta sound nothing alike from bonneville
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:32 PM Post #87,522 of 88,325
Let's talk about cables...

Last week I purchased the controversial CA Trifecta after having a pleasant surprise when demoing the IEM. I can understand why some people have mixed or negative feelings about this IEM. At a first glance and just out of the box, with the given cable and eartips, the sound can be a little overwhelming specially in the high frequencies, causing an impression of lack of separation and definition, while the bass overshadows all the rest.

I read A LOT about the Trifecta since the crafting and proposal got me really interested and I noticed several comments about tweaks that can really transform this IEM. And when this happens, it just changes the hobby for many.

Well, I am extremely happy to inform that after playing with different eartips and shifting between the original cable and the PW Audio Orpheus, I finally found a solution that brought me as close to my ideal sound signature as I never been before: and I mean that by even comparing my portable rig to my stereo hifi system and Planar Magnetic Headphones. My final solution didn't come cheap, but all the aforementioned systems costs more than 10 times the price of my portable set.

The final piece to complete my system (N30L DAC and CA Trifecta / Aroma Jewel IEMs) is the 8 wire cable Beat Audio - the Orbit Saga. First of all I would like to give Andrew and Leo at MusicTeck a big shoutout for letting me test the product with my gear. They are always extremely helpful and professional!! :)

Lets address the elephant in thew room - yes, it is an expensive cable, but it does what no other component in the system ever did. Also, I won't discuss the argument that cables don't make a difference, because in my experience with both speakers and Headphones, I have always noticed improvement with some high quality products. With the BA Orbit Saga is not different: it is almost as if I changed a chip inside my DAC, or attached a separate power supply or even improved the drivers of my Trifecta. Quoting their website, "Even though some may be doubtful, all frequencies are improved with sparkling and airy treble, smooth and sweet vocal, and deep and powerful bass. Moreover, you can experience a whole new level of soundstage and clarity." This is EXACTLY what the Orbit did to my rig.

After listening to this cable (and still listening now, while I write this, with a huge smile on my face), I felt compelled to do a quick comparison between the Orbit and the Orphy which I also own. My objective is to help those who are interested but can't find information or reviews about the Orbit Saga, considering that for the price this is definitely a niche product.

1) Packaging

The unboxing experience with the BA Orbit Saga is pretty similar to opening a jewel box, which should be expected for the price range. Inside the lacquer wooden box comes a beautiful and interesting glass sculpture of a folded cable that will be definitely seating in my office and a raw piece of the metals used in the cable. Its important to observe that the cable doesn't come with a smaller case to store and transport it as it usually happens with cables in this price range. The Orpheus in the other hand offer a very simplistic unboxing experience but offers a metal square case to store the product.

IMG_3058.jpeg

2) Build Quality

I believe the Orbit Saga is the most well made cable I ever touched: the build quality is impeccable: the terminations are golden plated with elegant designs and laser engraved logo. The color of the materials inside the cable is beautiful to look at and despite being a thick 8 wire cable, it is quite lite and flexible - much smoother than the Orpheus.

IMG_3056.jpeg


IMG_3057.jpeg

3) Sound

Both cables are exceptional choices and above this price point the perceived improvement is relative. I was very happy with the Orpheus and never imagined that a cable could improve the sound even more. In fact I've been using the Orpheus with the Jewel and the N30L for quite some time and was very happy with the transparency and signal optimization across the board, especially on the treble. The only negative point of the Orphy for me is the microphonics and how hefty the cable is.

The Orbit Saga has an even more revealing, micro-detailed tuning. It is like the opposite of Orpheus, improving the resolution and the retrieval of details, being complementary to the sound characteristics of PWAudio cables. With the Trifecta, the Orbit Saga addresses all the normal complaints of the IEM (lack of resolution, separation and too much treble) and adjust the wild characteristics of the Trifecta, keeping and improving its unique cavernous bass impact, now with more control and speed. All of a sudden, it is like the the cable bring the IEMs a few inches far from the ears, giving a bone chilling sense of space and air. If you use an airy IEM (as the Trifecta is) the synergy is godlike. I would love if everyone who didn't enjoy the Trifecta in the first experience could try it with the BA Orbit Saga and experience an unique portable hi end analog music experience!

IMG_3060.jpeg
All the characteristics from the system were improved simultaneously - all frequencies, speed, imaging, air, soundstage. It brings lifelike feelings to the music. My rig got particularly interesting because the N30L is not a flat or V shaped DAC, but its very musical. Aligned with the analog mids of the Trifecta and the final transformative adjustments across the spectrum caused by the BA cable, this system achieved a whole new level of performance - its maybe the better sounding system that I ever listened to (for my preferences).

I am a drummer and for me its very difficult to find a system that reproduces correctly the impact of a snare drum or the proper punch with control from a bass drum. This particular chain reproduces the sound not only of drums but also piano, orchestra, voices and even electronic music with dynamics and impact that one can experience in a live concert - and its pretty mindboggling at some points considering that such small drivers are inside the ear and at the same time sounding as if they are punching you in the chest. And this wasn't happening with that intensity, before I added the BA Orbit Saga to the chain. Not even with the Orpheus. So in the end, its pretty clear which cable is the best :wink:

IMG_3055.jpeg

At this price ($7,299.00 for the 8 wire) it is difficult to recommend the purchase of such product. But if you have the chance to experience it or the funds to include it in your chain, believe me: it can as transformative and pleasant as buying a brand new TOTL IEM or a DAC!

Yep it’s crazy expensive but that’s the proper way to maximize an IEM’s sound and minimize its shortcomings where the likes of PEQ and other digital EQ can never achieve IMHO
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:35 PM Post #87,523 of 88,325
Completely different sounding to me. DD mids and treble from Trifecta sound nothing alike from bonneville
I like the bass on the Bonneville even if it's somewhat bloated and bleeds into the mids. The mids need to be more forward for my liking. The treble is super thin and sibilant though and that's what really ruins it for me. I can eq it down to be more bearable but a $1400 product shouldn't NEED eq to sound good.
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:39 PM Post #87,524 of 88,325
I like the bass on the Bonneville even if it's somewhat bloated and bleeds into the mids. The mids need to be more forward for my liking. The treble is super thin and sibilant though and that's what really ruins it for me. I can eq it down to be more bearable but a $1400 product shouldn't NEED eq to sound good.
Good thing it doesn't need EQ for those who love it!
Also "super thin and sibilant" treble? Really? This sounds a little extreme to me, but hey, you heard what you heard.
 
Apr 24, 2024 at 10:41 PM Post #87,525 of 88,325
A close friend of mine has it i’ve also spent a lot of time with it at Canjam I connected my gold brick/ anni21 and was immediately thrown into the vortex 🎶🔥 incredible unit for iems highly recommended there’s definitely magic in that thing
Just to be clear, are we talking 465 (desktop/ 17k) or 475 (portable/ 1.6k)? Cause both are amazing lol but 465 might be a little over kill for IEM’s.
 

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