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Feb 10, 2024 at 11:22 AM Post #81,106 of 91,358
I wanna try the E3 from Dan Clark Audio. Seems like a really great closed back and it would fit nicely into my set up. Very practical being a closed back as well. Reviews so far are generally positive, but of course I wanna hear them for myself.
Great question and thank you for all that you do and explore. ✌️
I have my eye set on those as well. The bass port seems interesting. Hopefully they hit the second hand market soon so I can grab a set (I hate paying retail knowing the steep discounts that come in a short time).
 
Feb 10, 2024 at 11:55 AM Post #81,107 of 91,358
Uhm, Mentor and Raven are quite different in almost everything (it starts with the tuning: natural-warmish/fullbody vs neutral-brightish/energetic), plus Mentor is quite better at holography/staging/layering/imaging (Raven stage is a sphere and Mentor's is a wall beyond this sphere) and it's not that Mentor has too few upper mids, but Raven might have (too?) a lot of them.
I'd say the Raven is a lot more forward in the vocals, especially female. No comment on staging as it would need to be an A/B test to have merit.
 
Feb 10, 2024 at 11:59 AM Post #81,108 of 91,358
Some IEMs I bought to test and review. Will sell off afterwards since I am not looking to add to my stable (got other expensive hobbies going on 😁).

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Feb 10, 2024 at 12:51 PM Post #81,110 of 91,358
Feb 10, 2024 at 1:23 PM Post #81,112 of 91,358
Some IEMs I bought to test and review. Will sell off afterwards since I am looking to add to my stable (got other expensive hobbies going on 😁).

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Those are some awesome looking iems! Tell me about it…my passion for Swiss watches has had me going down an entirely different rabbit hole.

At least with iems you can bring 2 or 3 pairs and rotate them based on how you feel- doesn’t work with watches 😂
 
Feb 10, 2024 at 2:10 PM Post #81,113 of 91,358

Introducing Apx​


https://pmgaudio.com/apx/


We are excited to release Apx
This model is limited to only 25 production sets worldwide and released under our new brand - PMG Audio.

PMG Audio (Piotr Marek Granicki Audio) is a brand under Custom Art’s umbrella focusing on premium high-end products. Our goal is to create audio products that are unique and exclusive, but at the same time a little bit more eccentric. With over a decade of hands-on experience in tuning and building IEMs, we promise to deliver the best sound we can achieve.

Apx specification:

  • 11 Drivers: 1x Rectangular Planar, 1x 10mm DD, 8xBA, 1x Round Planar (all drivers are custom built to PMG Audio's spec);
  • True 7-way passive crossover;
  • Flat Impedance technology;
  • Imp 5 Ohm ±1 Ohm;
  • SPL 107dB @1kHz;
  • Response 3Hz-20kHz;
  • Silver-Copper Alloy with Graphene core cable (2.5, 3.5, or 4.4mm connectors), 0.1 Ohm resistance;
  • Wooden box;
  • Metal and EVA case;
  • PMG Audio’s set of silicone and foam tips (6 pairs);
  • Certificate of authenticity.

Apx is available from now on until stocks last. The orders should be shipped before the end of January 2024.
Hi my friends,

I will write a full cr.

Without any difficulties, in my top 3 ever, every prices, every technologies. 😎👍

Very mature and balanced and homogenous tuning, ultra high technicalities but musical, super easy to load, super good sound isolation, super easy and comfortable fit (these things are tiny, a real feat of strength considering the number and the nature of the drivers).

Two words : it works 👏

Three words : but the price ... 🥺
 
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Feb 10, 2024 at 2:34 PM Post #81,114 of 91,358
If you really like what Jewel does, consider trying to get a demo of WM1Z2 with it. Excellent pairing and easier on the ears up top than N8ii. (FYI, most of my library is rock).
If you really like what Jewel does, take a try if Fei Wan. I couldn't remember a more distinct upgrade within a line as I heard from jewel to FW at CanJam. I do understand why it appeals to a North American audience with more slamming bass and a more aggressive tuning than Jewel. FW to me was a highlight of what's possible in iems.
Yep in the end this hobby is like good food, you want different flavours all the time. Guess it won’t stop with 2 IEMs haha
Looking fearfully at my ZMF Tree.
Oh yeah, I already said it, Fei Wan!
 
Feb 10, 2024 at 2:40 PM Post #81,115 of 91,358
If you’re looking for neutral sounding allrounders you can’t do much better than Traillii and Jewel. I own them myself. If you’re only interested in allrounders you could stop there. The word “complementary” would imply adding IEMs that are specialists in some way and I think that’s not what you want? Other "neutral" IEMs I can think of are the Storm and the Canpur one, although I haven't heard either. Raven maybe? Haven't heard that either. Most of the other IEMs out there would add some flavor one way or another. Mentor is close to neutral sounding but a bit warmer than neutral. Xe6 takes that to the extreme with a huge dose of bass on top. Annihilator is an allrounder for me but the bass quantity is north of neutral. Trifecta is certainly not neutral. It is hit or miss depending on taste and genre. Fei Wan is not neutral either, it's pretty V shaped to me. Personally I think it's fun to add different sound signatures to the collection, but if that's not your thing the Jewel is an excellent choice imho.

Edited: I understand the Raven is far from neutral.
I would add Erebus to the neutral-ish all-rounders list. For comparison, I haven't heard Jewel but owned Traillii until recently. Some areas of note: I found Traillii's (maybe best ever) mids to be warm-ish, it has relatively weak bass, and its technicals are very strong but in some ways are getting dated by current TOTL standards in my POV. Relative to Traillii, Erebus' mids are more neutral, it has superior and well-controlled DD bass performance, and its technicals are on par if not better on the whole.
 
Feb 10, 2024 at 2:51 PM Post #81,116 of 91,358
I had the opportunity - how could I pass it up - to audition in good conditions (along with @lafeuill) PMG Audio first IEM, the APX
Thanks to @gmfg1 for this :)

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(Note that the shape fo the shell might not be for everyone... @lafeuill struggled a bit with it. YMMV)

APX is summed up this way on PMG Audio's website : "PMG Audio’s Apx (read Apex) is a culmination of all of our experience in designing, tuning and building In-Ear Monitors. It is our answer to the question of an ultimate product if there are no constraints or limitations in design or technology and price is no object."

Let me say as a long standing Custom Art (happy) customer I had high expectations for @piotrus-g latest creation and first foray into somewhat of a SummitFi segment for IEMs. This is a ultra limited edition since there will only be 25 of those... I am betting it's just a first and somewhat of a test run :wink: I can only hope custom IEMs will also be part of PMG Audio furture lineup.

For those who are not familiar, here are the specs :

SPEC AND PACKAGING​

  • 11 Drivers - 1x Rectangular Planar, 1x 10mm DD, 8xBA, 1x Round Planar (all drivers are custom built to PMG Audio's spec)
  • True 7-way passive crossover
  • Flat Impedance technology
  • Imp 5 Ohm ±1 Ohm
  • SPL 107dB @1kHz
  • Response 3Hz-20kHz

"Apx has been equipped with all custom-spec drivers, coupled with in-house developed technologies which place this IEM at the forefront of the audio reproduction. Unique rectangular Planar Speaker in combination with 10mm PEEK diaphragm Dynamic Driver renders the most realistic bass response with perceivable vibrations without relying on overpressurizing of ear canal or bone conduction transducers. 8 custom-designed Balanced Armatures support lower-midrange, midrange, upper-midrange, and high frequencies. Topped with a small round planar speaker for natural-sounding, extended highs."

But enough rambling, how do the APX sound?

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I listened out of N30 varying modes (A/AB, Tube on off both classic and modern settings).
APX is not hard to drive I only needed low gain but requires to push the volume a bit, I am running 10 clicks above most my IEMs except for Elysium which itselft runs 10 clicks above.

Upon first listen :
  • I clearly felt at home with the tuning which builds upon past Custom Art creation such as FIBAE7 or more recently the DD/BA/Planar of the FIBAE5. APX builds upon the hybrid DD/BA/Planar of the FIBAE5 but with a more complex 7 way, 11 drivers array featuring a unique custom built "never done before" round planar for treble.

  • it's very clear APX is a clear step up in technicalities compared to Custom Art lineups, while retaining the musicality and engaging nature we all love Custom Art for
APX is a balanced and very mature tuning, clearly the product of years of experience and refining :
  • bass is the best I have heard of any of Piotr's products. It's a very nimble bass with excellent mid bass slam but it's also a textured and rich bass presentation that conveys a lot of nuances (highly engaging with percussions). It's not up there with my RN6 and its kinetic bass in terms of bass quantity but it's more of a fun leaning towards accurate bass presence that is just as good.

  • mids strike a balance, not full bodied per say but with plenty of substance and note weight while offering superb separation for a very articulate presentation of complex tracks. It also reaches a great balance between the required bite to be exciting and the smooth and liquid presentation that I find so engaging. It's really hard to describe when everything sounds just right, the tonal balance is spot on to my ears and timbre are superb.

  • treble is where APX enters the big boys category and APX is clearly several notch up. APX has excellent extension and resolution which is up there with the best. The upper treble presence and performance brings air and resolution that makes everything better across the range. APX is impressive in how it managed to have a very natural presentation : lower treble is spot on in terms of energy providing the excitement I expect in piano notes and good weight as well and upper treble definitely is airy but with a naturalness that makes for a sense of realism and a refinement that is the hallmark of top of the line offerings.
Now, while it's helpful to slice things up, there is something to be said for coherency and APX is very impressive in that respect. This is the art of tuning, and some IEMs are impressive but not engaging or fail to make it about the music less than the technical performance... not so with APX : quite the contrary, it's such an engaging IEM you forget about it and time just flies by without you noticing. Anytime this happens to me, I know we have a keeper!

APX is definitely a compelling proposition and I have no doubt the future PMG lineup will be something everyone should keep tabs on.
In the meantime, the lucky 25 who can afford to get an APX won't be disappointed : it's up there with the best no doubt!
Fully agreed 👍
 
Feb 10, 2024 at 5:09 PM Post #81,117 of 91,358
Doggo gets extra walk because I'm enjoying the dx320max. Carrying it around is not as bad as I thought but tomorrow I'll use a hoodie with a big front pocket so it's not uncomfortable on one leg. I will start shopping for hoodies with something like a kangaroo pouch


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Feb 10, 2024 at 5:14 PM Post #81,118 of 91,358
Doggo gets extra walk because I'm enjoying the dx320max. Carrying it around is not as bad as I thought but tomorrow I'll use a hoodie with a big front pocket so it's not uncomfortable on one leg. I will start shopping for hoodies with something like a kangaroo pouch


Maybe try DC Elite for walking plus your mobile phone?
 
Feb 10, 2024 at 5:16 PM Post #81,119 of 91,358
Maybe try DC Elite for walking plus your mobile phone?
Or Noble Fokus Prestige :)

Not related to this, but I’m still experimenting with some new eartips. The Coreir are great for short nozzle IEMs. Put them on the Singularity and works like a charm. Also using them on Trifecta. A shame they are so darn expensive!
 
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Feb 10, 2024 at 5:26 PM Post #81,120 of 91,358
Hi my friends,

I will write a full cr.

Without any difficulties, in my top 3 ever, every prices, every technologies. 😎👍

Very mature and balanced and homogenous tuning, ultra high technicalities but musical, super easy to load, super good sound isolation, super easy and comfortable fit (these things are tiny, a real feat of strength considering the number and the nature of the drivers).

Two words : it works 👏

Three words : but the price ... 🥺
I was quite surprised by the size of the shells too; comfortable fit. I don’t find it bass light, my impressions of it align more with @Kiats’.
Sonorously intimate and yet highly technically-proficient, I feel like in I’m in a club, which is a nice breather from current others that are in what feels like a hectic race for widest soundstage etc.
 

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