The Watercooler -- Impressions, philosophical discussion and general banter. Index on first page. All welcome.

May 31, 2022 at 12:13 PM Post #26,011 of 107,435
Not IEM related, but I know we've had some open back discussion. I find it interesting how polarizing the LCD-5 must be that so many go second hand for $1500+ below retail. It's such a buyers' market right now. I've not tried it myself though. The Empyrean regularly going for below $2k now too sure makes it hard to not want to go back to headphones.
 
May 31, 2022 at 12:18 PM Post #26,012 of 107,435
Not IEM related, but I know we've had some open back discussion. I find it interesting how polarizing the LCD-5 must be that so many go second hand for $1500+ below retail. It's such a buyers' market right now. I've not tried it myself though. The Empyrean regularly going for below $2k now too sure makes it hard to not want to go back to headphones.
Noticed at one time 16 for sale
Never seen 16 Susvara for sale ... 🤔
 
May 31, 2022 at 12:31 PM Post #26,013 of 107,435
Not IEM related, but I know we've had some open back discussion. I find it interesting how polarizing the LCD-5 must be that so many go second hand for $1500+ below retail. It's such a buyers' market right now. I've not tried it myself though. The Empyrean regularly going for below $2k now too sure makes it hard to not want to go back to headphones.
Planars (or Audeze planars specifically) is basically like the EXT's fit - you love it or you hate it. I, unfortunately, am leaning towards the latter.
 
May 31, 2022 at 12:39 PM Post #26,014 of 107,435
I'm feeling similar with the P1 Max... I just keep wanting to listen to it. It's no technical wizard but in terms of pure musical enjoyment, it's 10/10 for me so far.

Now of course curious about Supermoon...

The Supermoon will almost certainly be released properly as a universal eventually...really curious to hear what you think of it. I'm a sucker for CFA's house sound and tuning but if I remember correctly you've never heard a CFA IEM.

Vision Ears EXT Impressions

Per my usual disclaimers.

I’m not an ‘audiophile’ by any means but I love my music and I love how certain headphones, IEMs, and TWS invoke fond memories and emotions of past and present life experiences with my family.

Tested on genres such as Classical, Jazz, Pop, EDM, Hip Hop, Movie scores and soundtracks such as Wonder Woman, Batman Begins, Inception on stock cable with 2.5mm termination on FiiO M11 Plus ESS and Spinfits CP360 XL tips


At first listen, the EXT immediately impressed with its highly resolving mid-range, treble response and extension. Pianos have this amazing resonance with the weight of the lower notes which completely immerses the listener into audio bliss. This is clearly the EXT’s strength and combined with the weightiness of the DD, mid-bass and sub-bass is impactful, well textured and very satisfying. It’s easy to see why this IEM has gotten the attention it has to-date. I could see these being the perfect choice if you want energy and resolution. I think long-term listening would be a challenge for me though. It’s not as smooth as the Phonix.

EXT are a little more difficult to drive than the Phonix. I need them at high gain with a few additional notches on the volume to get it to a reasonable listening level as the Phonix. Cymbal crashes, kick drums really shine on the EXT and it has this chesty impact that again, is very satisfying. I tend to prefer a ‘fuller’ sound with more airiness and EXT is far from sounding ‘thin’ to my ears, but it could definitely use a little more ‘fullness’ to it’s sound. If the Phonix had the impact and sub-bass rumble of that DD from the EXT, I think that would be my end game IEM. (at this point in time) Unless I hear something else in this price range that can match or surpass the Phonix in its current standing, I will be keeping my eyes on a used pair in the future. I do caveat this by saying that I haven’t heard the XE6 and other FIR IEMs which I am pretty excited to also try with this tour. That DD is freaking addictive and EXT just kills it.

Fit and Build Quality 4/5
  • The vented design is a bit of love and hate. Might collect grime and dust overtime so I’m not as a big of a fan for long-term use but the EXT’s visual aesthetics is spectacular
  • Feels premium, good fit
  • Snug and has a deep insertion depth. Slightly uncomfortable after a few hours of usage
Treble 4.5/5
  • Great sparkle without fatigue and has an outstanding amount of detail and resolution
  • Treble clarity and emphasis are where the EXT also shine IMO
  • Cymbal crashes are accurate and with right amount decay to my ears
Mid-Range 4.5/5
  • Highly resolving and this is where the EXT’s strength really shines. Elegant, refined, lush, somewhat forward.
  • Violins sound realistic and cry with hair raising emotions
  • Flutes and guitar crunches are satisfying, extremely detailed and resolving.
  • Trumpets and trombones accurately reverberate with a high degree of realism and depth resonating from the brass
  • Piano’s have a satisfying amount of weight and body for lower notes and crisp for higher notes
Vocals 4/5
  • Female vocals sound crisp, airy, with excellent extension and no sibilance or harshness, it’s fantastic
  • Male vocals sound weighty, has chesty elements and satisfies
Soundstage/Imaging 4/5
  • Not as airy or spacious as the Phonix which set the bar pretty high for me. Stage is wide, not as deep but the imaging and detail is good, just not as immersive and airy as the Phonix
Bass 4.5/5
  • Love the texture and impact of the DD on the EXT. If the Phonix had a DD to produce the slam, I think it would near perfect for my taste. IMO, nothing beats the detail, and immersive feeling of a DD bass slam.
  • Kick drums have a nice thump and weight with good decay
  • Cello's have an outstanding amount of weight and resonance
  • The Supermoon’s bass detail, texture and slam from the planar is pretty darn close, if not the same or better.

Overall, EXT is a fantastic IEM but it didn’t give me the same emotional response as the Dorado, Supermoons, or Phonix did. There’s just something about the weight, depth and airiness of the Phonix’s sonic profile that triggers many more emotions and that’s where I extract the most enjoyment in an IEM. As I mentioned in my Phonix impressions, I like to feel ALL the elements of my music with cohesion and impact across the FR. I can definitely appreciate the EXT’s detail, resolution and mid-range performance but it didn’t quite hit the mark for me in terms of overall enjoyment and immersion.

Ps. I will try to replicate a similar format for thoughts and impressions of the FIR IEMs when they hit my doorstep in the coming weeks. Thanks again for reading fellow coolereans. :)

Great impressions thanks for sharing!

Hah, after I spent some time with the Supermoon I wanted to compare to the Diana Phi and LCD-4 just for the hell of it. Spent a few minutes with each and then nonchalantly had to go back to the Supermoon. Kind of a cruel, expensive joke haha. Damn Campfire and their tuning chops.

Yeah it's addictive...whenever I have them in I don't want to take them out. I've never had a proper session with a full size planar though so I don't really have a frame of reference there.e

This may be a far-fetched guess
but I realise birds living in the rainforest have so many more chirps and calls to help them distinguish one another, and make them more noticeable from all the other noises in the surroundings. They also live in closer proximity which makes high frequency sound more effective since it can travel shorter distances. On the upside, this also allows them to make more unique varying sounds. Just like dolphins too which usually travel in packs so they benefit more using higher frequency sound to communicate, as they can form more words in rapid succession that way, compared to whales which use lower frequency sound more as it can travel farther

A friend of mine from Vietnam also once said that there are like 5 'a' pronounciations in Vietnamese (is this true? @yaps66), and it seems apparent too that in most East to Southeast Asian countries vowels are prominent in their use to assemble words. Which is different from Arabic, Russian which use more consonants by comparison. Though there are few exceptions, such as the Mongolian with their nomadic lifestyle in the plains which require longer distance communication (check out throat singing)

Then there's also the body size factor, as it correspond to vocal pitch. Smaller body size often have higher pitch, and vice versa. I guess that may play a role too? There are so many variables! It's fascinating. I wonder which has the most influence

Fascinating! And probably some truth to it.

Glad to hear that you liked it. I guess the differences in the mids could be due to source and music genres. I can relate to everything you said here about the Supermoon - bass, treble, soundstage - I also agree with these findings. Maybe because my library is more upper-mid centric, so the metallic timbre is very noticeable for me. Or maybe this is how a planar is supposed to sound and I am just not used to it, but I recall trying the LCD-5 and the uppermids-treble is really smooth and natural, so not too sure what's happening here.

I might use another source and different music genres and try again.

Curious to hear more thoughts from you. I really really tried to make sense of the "metallic mids" impressions but I just don't hear it that way at all-- nothing seems off or weird to me. It could be my library, or my fondness for CFA's tuning generally but the Supermoon just works for me. I could sell everything I have right now except SR25ii and Supermoon and be totally content. I mean I won't, but ...

Loving this combo today:

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May 31, 2022 at 12:41 PM Post #26,015 of 107,435
Noticed at one time 16 for sale
Never seen 16 Susvara for sale ... 🤔

In the case of the LCD 5 it may not be entirely sound related-- there have been issues with fit and build quality as well which may play into it.
 
May 31, 2022 at 12:53 PM Post #26,016 of 107,435
Noticed at one time 16 for sale
Never seen 16 Susvara for sale ... 🤔
The LCD5 was released last September. 8 months later and people are moving on. There was a lot of hype around this headphone last year so it is not unusual to see more of them out there. The Sleath was released at the same time, but without such fanfare and hype. Not as many of those for sale. Susvara has just been out there for a long time and there is natural buying and selling going on.
 
May 31, 2022 at 12:53 PM Post #26,017 of 107,435
Curious to hear more thoughts from you. I really really tried to make sense of the "metallic mids" impressions but I just don't hear it that way at all-- nothing seems off or weird to me. It could be my library, or my fondness for CFA's tuning generally but the Supermoon just works for me. I could sell everything I have right now except SR25ii and Supermoon and be totally content. I mean I won't, but ...

Loving this combo today:

D6FAB215-85C2-4079-AF23-97FBD1FE572B.JPEG
Definitely will give it another go. It's quite interesting that this IEM has such polarising takes....on the mids only. We all seem to agree that the other parts are OK.
 
May 31, 2022 at 1:01 PM Post #26,018 of 107,435
Definitely will give it another go. It's quite interesting that this IEM has such polarising takes....on the mids only. We all seem to agree that the other parts are OK.
It sounded great at CanJam NY. In my top 5, but that was connected to $30K worth of electronics. When I connected it to a much less expensive set up it let you know the difference immediately. I definitely liked it better than the Solitaire P at the show.
 
May 31, 2022 at 1:05 PM Post #26,020 of 107,435
The LCD5 was released last September. 8 months later and people are moving on. There was a lot of hype around this headphone last year so it is not unusual to see more of them out there. The Sleath was released at the same time, but without such fanfare and hype. Not as many of those for sale. Susvara has just been out there for a long time and there is natural buying and selling going on.
As you say and probably less DCA Stealth sold I suppose
But again I read really mixed reviews on those
 
May 31, 2022 at 1:07 PM Post #26,021 of 107,435
It sounded great at CanJam NY. In my top 5, but that was connected to $30K worth of electronics. When I connected it to a much less expensive set up it let you know the difference immediately. I definitely liked it better than the Solitaire P at the show.
Same with Susvara
It just doesn't stop with buying a new headphone in that league and done deal
Well you heard the difference yourself ... 🤷
 
May 31, 2022 at 1:53 PM Post #26,022 of 107,435
Not IEM related, but I know we've had some open back discussion. I find it interesting how polarizing the LCD-5 must be that so many go second hand for $1500+ below retail. It's such a buyers' market right now. I've not tried it myself though. The Empyrean regularly going for below $2k now too sure makes it hard to not want to go back to headphones.
If you are considering the Empyrean, I would also try the Elite. I thought it was much better.
 
May 31, 2022 at 1:58 PM Post #26,023 of 107,435
The LCD5 was released last September. 8 months later and people are moving on. There was a lot of hype around this headphone last year so it is not unusual to see more of them out there. The Sleath was released at the same time, but without such fanfare and hype. Not as many of those for sale. Susvara has just been out there for a long time and there is natural buying and selling going on.

I'm not sure if I'd be in the market for a closed back at the moment, but the Stealth seems to be had for a little over $3k used or open box and to your point has seee. I haven't tried it, but I did get to try the Aeon Noire. I generally liked them in terms of sound and especially build, but trying to use closed back headphones on calls is irritating. I'm curious how the new MM line (?) from Audeze will be but I'm not a fan of the branding on them.

If you are considering the Empyrean, I would also try the Elite. I thought it was much better.

I tried the Empyrean briefly at CanJam and liked how comfortable it was but could understand why people think it's too warm or underwhelming technically for the price. I haven't tried the Elite but I'd like to. I just wish they had that same black or copper aesthetic. That also seems to fall in that same $3-3.5k range if you go used or open box, assuming dealers aren't giving discounts on them already.

And another LCD-5 was listed just now, too.
 
May 31, 2022 at 2:02 PM Post #26,024 of 107,435
I'm not sure if I'd be in the market for a closed back at the moment, but the Stealth seems to be had for a little over $3k used or open box and to your point has seee. I haven't tried it, but I did get to try the Aeon Noire. I generally liked them in terms of sound and especially build, but trying to use closed back headphones on calls is irritating. I'm curious how the new MM line (?) from Audeze will be but I'm not a fan of the branding on them.



I tried the Empyrean briefly at CanJam and liked how comfortable it was but could understand why people think it's too warm or underwhelming technically for the price. I haven't tried the Elite but I'd like to. I just wish they had that same black or copper aesthetic. That also seems to fall in that same $3-3.5k range if you go used or open box, assuming dealers aren't giving discounts on them already.

And another LCD-5 was listed just now, too.
I was really close to get one but a good buddy - we share the same sound - told me mmm mmm not for you ... 🤷
 
May 31, 2022 at 2:05 PM Post #26,025 of 107,435
Okay @Rockwell75 , I managed to hunt down a demo of the Supermoon and should have it tomorrow. I feel we both rate similar IEMs accordingly so I am hoping I really enjoy this one. A CIEM planar would slot very nicely into my collection :)

Looking forward to seeing what it's about. I am not expecting the technical prowess of the XE6 or Annihilator, or the masterful tuning level of the Aroma Jewel. However, if it can bring me something new/different to my library then that is what I am looking for.
 

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