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[AnandaHri]

IEM to get from the Penon line. I would say is the Orbs.


The direct upgrade from the Orbs are the Globes. Serial is another one that would work great for you.

H50 graph vs Fan 2


It wouldn't surprise me if your sensitive to 7-8khz region. That is the area that accentuates crash symbols for drums. As you can see the graph of the Fan 2. That area has less emphasis so crash symbols are much better controlled due to the dip in the 8Khz region. The Orbs has the least amount of treble presence but sounds proper with a pure silver cable. To be honest with you. Any of the Penon IEMs will be fine. None of them emphasizes that 8Khz region. ISN IEMs the H50 and the H30 does.

It's bad luck that I bought the H50 with that peak in the treble...if it helps I also have the H40 and I like it very much.

Thank you very much!

 

[Dsnuts]

H50 is not as egregious as many I have heard that enhance the region but it is common to see a 8Khz enhancement for a lot of IEMs. Not just the H50.

There are guys that are the opposite of how your hearing in that they want that region to be the main focus for trebles. For rock and all of its sub genres 8Khz peak is a no no.
The good news there is that pretty much all the Penon IEMs have no obvious peak in the region including the new FAN 2.

I think over time a majority of IEM production has stayed away from 7Khz peak which introduces sibilance but it is 50-50 if the treble tuning has 8 Khz. emphasis. You need some 7-8Khz presence for tunings in that while they cant be the area of emphasis. There has to be some emphasis for a complete treble tuning. The Fan2 has a dip in the 8Khz region but if you look at the graph the dip is not so severe to where it is completely gone.

Ultimately the trebles are non fatiguing for the Fan 2 as a results. Sounds great. If you wait a bit you will see a whole flood of new impressions about them soon.

 

[Echalon]

H50 is not as egregious as many I have heard that enhance the region but it is common to see a 8Khz enhancement for a lot of IEMs. Not just the H50.

There are guys that are the opposite of how your hearing in that they want that region to be the main focus for trebles. For rock and all of its sub genres 8Khz peak is a no no.
The good news there is that pretty much all the Penon IEMs have no obvious peak in the region including the new FAN 2.

I think over time a majority of IEM production has stayed away from 7Khz peak which introduces sibilance but it is 50-50 if the treble tuning has 8 Khz. emphasis. You need some 7-8Khz presence for tunings in that while they cant be the area of emphasis. There has to be some emphasis for a complete treble tuning. The Fan2 has a dip in the 8Khz region but if you look at the graph the dip is not so severe to where it is completely gone.

Ultimately the trebles are non fatiguing for the Fan 2 as a results. Sounds great. If you wait a bit you will see a whole flood of new impressions about them soon.

Once again I’m buying an IEM on your impressions, like so many here. You’ve guided me well so far, so thank you!

 

[WilliamBlake]

Vortex arrived, shipping to Ita really quick, they improve in this very much and no custom fees, chapeau Penon audio team.

I'm listening to with them now and well the comfort is top notch, probably the most comfortable iems I've tried, they're so small and when you put them in the ears seem to fade.
I think they require some burn in but what I hearing is a very balanced sound with nice treble.
I skipped the tips included, used first a pair of spinfit but the sound was really muffled, I changed to acoustune aet08 and the sound is clearer, but I will try with tips rolling after burn in.
The stock cable is really nice for a 200$ set but I want to try the osg cable.

For the moment I'm satisfied and congrats to Penon.

 

[Dsnuts]

Once again I’m buying an IEM on your impressions, like so many here. You’ve guided me well so far, so thank you!

Penon IEMs are an easy recommend as they have a clear direction and tuning philosophy that happens to agree with so many. It is one thing if these guys are not able to be consistent with what they produce but year in and year out. They make some outstanding IEMs.

There are too many IEM companies out there that has the lets try a random approach to tuning which works with one IEM and not so much another. Penon is different in that they seem to try to optimize each driver on their strengths and then are tuned to not have any glaring flaws. Each and every IEM they make is a complete sound. Each IEM they make conforms to their house sound signature.

 

[F700]

The Penon Serial take some extra to be delivered (hopefully tomorrow), so I am killing time with the excellent ISN EST50 and the fantastic Oriveti O400.

I read and watched almost everything about the Serial and the anticipation is massive. I have a strong feeling about these being one of the last missing link in my collection.

Not derailing the thread, but as music and the ways to enjoy it come first, I happily share some tonight’s pictures of the best 4BA on the market imo. I would be very interested to blind test the O400 to some head-fiers, because I am pretty certain that a substantial portion of them, if not a majority, would think that there is a big DD hiding in the shell.

 

[szore]

The Penon Serial take some extra to be delivered (hopefully tomorrow), so I am killing time with the excellent ISN EST50 and the fantastic Oriveti O400.

I read and watched almost everything about the Serial and the anticipation is massive. I have a strong feeling about these being one of the last missing link in my collection.

Not derailing the thread, but as music and the ways to enjoy it come first, I happily share some tonight’s pictures of the best 4BA on the market imo. I would be very interested to blind test the O400 to some head-fiers, because I am pretty certain that a substantial portion of them, if not a majority, would think that there is a big DD hiding in the shell.

the ISN EST50 is fantastic, isn't it?

 

[laleeee]

Penon Fan2 + Obsidian pictured. Good chance the FAN 2 will come with the good old OS133 which matches well with the Fan2.

OK so I have been waiting for a bit to tell you all about Penons newest IEM. I am lucky to get an early look at what will essentially make the grade as Penons newest IEM.

You all should know by now that Penon doesn't make an IEM and just throws it out there. Everything is calculated with Penon ITEMs. Especially with their IEMs. This being said. For those of you that own the first Fan it was called the Fan as the IEM was more or less made for Penon Fans and pretty much sold at wholesale prices for folks that have bought Penon items.

The FAN 2 continues that idea that these are made for the Fans of Penon sound. The new FAN 2 is an all resin medium sized hybrid IEM. What makes the new FAN 2 a nice upgrade/ update on the hybrid formula is that it is using a unique driver mix. 2 dynamics and 2 BAs. If you really think about it. Not too many IEMs with this particular blend of drivers.

Then there is what the actual drivers are. It is using 2 highly regarded BAs in the mix. 1 Sonion BA for the mids, 1 Knowles treble BA. Ok that is what is also being used on the ISN H30 that was recently announced. But then these add two brand new dynamics as well. Two 6mm crystal plated biological dynamic drivers.

Specs are as follows
3D printed Resin, Medical grade all resin cavity
1 Sonion BA-Mids
1 Knowles BA- treble
2x 6mm Bio dynamic- Bass
13 Ohm impedance
112db sensitivity
20hz-20khz Fr response.

You guys have any idea how long I have asked manufacturers to consider using micro dynamics for bass? These aren’t officially micro dynamics. I believe it is 5mm or smaller but close enough. And the fact that it is using biological dynamics which you guys should know does bass better than most types of dynamics. I think you guys might have a good idea what these are going for. Why use two dynamics? It clearly separates two zones for bass performance. I believe this adds to the overall speed, tightness, accurate attack and decay for its overall bass performance. This is the same reason why you see TOTL multiple BA only sets use two types of BAs for its bass. One to handle the upper to mid bass, and another woofer BA to handle the sub lows. Bass will be more defined, snappier, cleaner, tighter and speedier.

From what I understand about the new crystal plated bio dynamic is that this plating prevents the bio dynamic from mutating. Didn’t know that was an actual issue with bio dynamics but makes sense as it is a biological film. This in effect will keep this particular type of bio dynamic to be consistent in performance.

As for the sound.
Imagine a hybrid version of the Penon Serial and you might get a good understanding of the sound profile of these. Consistent with Penon tuned IEMs these have substantial presence and balancing for all regions of sound. Its deliberate use of the Sonion BA for mids presence is synonymous with that Penon sound you all know and love. It wouldn't be a Penon sound without it let me put it that way. Its treble tuning is more lower and upper trebles vs the mid treble emphasis that is more prevalent on the recent ISN H30. Meaning the FAN 2 has a more refined treble tuning in comparison. Technical aspects are about as good as you're going to get with this design and in fact the housing shape allows the drivers to have a big spacious field of sound for how the FAN 2 portrays music. As you would expect from a true Penon product.

Bass? Well it is more moderate in bass presence than being big or standing out in the mix, I would put the bass emphasis at around 7dbs which is again moderate. Bass quality is consistent with other bio dynamics in how it performs for bass. This time the emphasis is a bit more in the mid bass vs the sub bass but bass is well defined, tight speedy and can get plenty punchy when called for. You're going to appreciate the agile smaller 6mm bass performance that sounds much bigger. I think Penon could have emphasized the sub bass region a few dbs more on these but for what it's got it is textured well and has good presence for bass. This tight bass makes a difference just how clean the mid bands are for the FAN2.

Its stage is substantial as always, a nice precise imaging, wide and deep sound characteristics. its technical performance is as good as it gets for its design. Easy to drive at 13 Ohms.. The FAN 2 will become a fan favorite and will be something you all will want to get to add to the collection. Because FOMO will be real if you miss this deal. I have been hearing them for the past week or so. Keeping a tight lip on them for this day.

I'm not going to reveal the price yet but you better keep tabs on your email.

Can you compare the bass of the H30 and the Fan2 please ?

 

[Surf Monkey]

If you wait a bit you will see a whole flood of new impressions about them soon.

The introductory “fan price” for the Fan 2 caught my eye and the driver configuration dragged me in. Reading your impressions sealed the deal. I mulled it for 24 hours but decided to take the plunge. I’m eager to hear them. My first PENON set.

 

[Redcarmoose]

Penon Audio VORTEX Universal IEM review:
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/penon-vortex.25936/reviews#review-29368

 

[laleeee]

Penon Fan2 + Obsidian pictured. Good chance the FAN 2 will come with the good old OS133 which matches well with the Fan2.

OK so I have been waiting for a bit to tell you all about Penons newest IEM. I am lucky to get an early look at what will essentially make the grade as Penons newest IEM.

You all should know by now that Penon doesn't make an IEM and just throws it out there. Everything is calculated with Penon ITEMs. Especially with their IEMs. This being said. For those of you that own the first Fan it was called the Fan as the IEM was more or less made for Penon Fans and pretty much sold at wholesale prices for folks that have bought Penon items.

The FAN 2 continues that idea that these are made for the Fans of Penon sound. The new FAN 2 is an all resin medium sized hybrid IEM. What makes the new FAN 2 a nice upgrade/ update on the hybrid formula is that it is using a unique driver mix. 2 dynamics and 2 BAs. If you really think about it. Not too many IEMs with this particular blend of drivers.

Then there is what the actual drivers are. It is using 2 highly regarded BAs in the mix. 1 Sonion BA for the mids, 1 Knowles treble BA. Ok that is what is also being used on the ISN H30 that was recently announced. But then these add two brand new dynamics as well. Two 6mm crystal plated biological dynamic drivers.

Specs are as follows
3D printed Resin, Medical grade all resin cavity
1 Sonion BA-Mids
1 Knowles BA- treble
2x 6mm Bio dynamic- Bass
13 Ohm impedance
112db sensitivity
20hz-20khz Fr response.

You guys have any idea how long I have asked manufacturers to consider using micro dynamics for bass? These aren’t officially micro dynamics. I believe it is 5mm or smaller but close enough. And the fact that it is using biological dynamics which you guys should know does bass better than most types of dynamics. I think you guys might have a good idea what these are going for. Why use two dynamics? It clearly separates two zones for bass performance. I believe this adds to the overall speed, tightness, accurate attack and decay for its overall bass performance. This is the same reason why you see TOTL multiple BA only sets use two types of BAs for its bass. One to handle the upper to mid bass, and another woofer BA to handle the sub lows. Bass will be more defined, snappier, cleaner, tighter and speedier.

From what I understand about the new crystal plated bio dynamic is that this plating prevents the bio dynamic from mutating. Didn’t know that was an actual issue with bio dynamics but makes sense as it is a biological film. This in effect will keep this particular type of bio dynamic to be consistent in performance.

As for the sound.
Imagine a hybrid version of the Penon Serial and you might get a good understanding of the sound profile of these. Consistent with Penon tuned IEMs these have substantial presence and balancing for all regions of sound. Its deliberate use of the Sonion BA for mids presence is synonymous with that Penon sound you all know and love. It wouldn't be a Penon sound without it let me put it that way. Its treble tuning is more lower and upper trebles vs the mid treble emphasis that is more prevalent on the recent ISN H30. Meaning the FAN 2 has a more refined treble tuning in comparison. Technical aspects are about as good as you're going to get with this design and in fact the housing shape allows the drivers to have a big spacious field of sound for how the FAN 2 portrays music. As you would expect from a true Penon product.

Bass? Well it is more moderate in bass presence than being big or standing out in the mix, I would put the bass emphasis at around 7dbs which is again moderate. Bass quality is consistent with other bio dynamics in how it performs for bass. This time the emphasis is a bit more in the mid bass vs the sub bass but bass is well defined, tight speedy and can get plenty punchy when called for. You're going to appreciate the agile smaller 6mm bass performance that sounds much bigger. I think Penon could have emphasized the sub bass region a few dbs more on these but for what it's got it is textured well and has good presence for bass. This tight bass makes a difference just how clean the mid bands are for the FAN2.

Its stage is substantial as always, a nice precise imaging, wide and deep sound characteristics. its technical performance is as good as it gets for its design. Easy to drive at 13 Ohms.. The FAN 2 will become a fan favorite and will be something you all will want to get to add to the collection. Because FOMO will be real if you miss this deal. I have been hearing them for the past week or so. Keeping a tight lip on them for this day.

I'm not going to reveal the price yet but you better keep tabs on your email.

What do you mean that the bass is "moderate" ? Weak, weightless , butterfly fart bass like the ISN H30's ? Have the Fan2 any bass slam ? Or just the thin low end and the harsh fatiguing knowles armature highs as usual ?

 

[ehjie]

"Are we gonna record this?" - R.Smith
Fantastic single!

 

[rattlingblanketwoman]

I've been listening to the only the Fan so far this morning. Medium ePro horn tips (these keep them further out with a good seal, vs small which still has a good seal just deep insertion). Exceptional value!!!

Lots of great tracks, bass was kicking on this one:

 

[ehjie]

Vortex arrived, shipping to Ita really quick, they improve in this very much and no custom fees, chapeau Penon audio team.

I'm listening to with them now and well the comfort is top notch, probably the most comfortable iems I've tried, they're so small and when you put them in the ears seem to fade.
I think they require some burn in but what I hearing is a very balanced sound with nice treble.
I skipped the tips included, used first a pair of spinfit but the sound was really muffled, I changed to acoustune aet08 and the sound is clearer, but I will try with tips rolling after burn in.
The stock cable is really nice for a 200$ set but I want to try the osg cable.

For the moment I'm satisfied and congrats to Penon.

So Far, all of my Penon in ears are being served by this Korean gem

It brings out every bit of treble detail, clear mids, and excellent Bass.
For long nozzles, small ear canals

AZLA SednaEarfit Short​

 

[BrokenHill]

So Far, all of my Penon in ears are being served by this Korean gem

It brings out every bit of treble detail, clear mids, and excellent Bass.
For long nozzles, small ear canals

AZLA SednaEarfit Short​

I use the SednaEarfit Crystal in all my Penons except for the Volt, which I use Xelastec for the width of the bore. I'll have to try this short version of Azla