To call it an analog signal just because it uses electric currents.
Electrons are flowing all over the traces in the IC boards on your computer, phone, etc. Doesn't make them analog devices now does it?
A simple analog v. digital Google search will clear this confusion up for you easily.
It's factual that electric currents go through USB cables and not rows of 0s and 1s, is it not ? I understand your message, we're discussing digital data, but the way how it's sent is analog. I tackled this subject just to emphasize that electric currents going thorugh USB cables aren't immune to external factors.
How would you guys compare the IER Z1R with the MDR Z1R? and how big is the difference with the IER using it with the TA vs one of their walkmans? WM1Z vs A vs
NW-ZX300?
I'm starting to see the value of listening to music away from my desk
Do you guys see any benefit in getting the TA with the current cans I have listed in my signature? I don’t plan on going high price for end game as it seems like the 1AM2 and WH-1000XM3 are my end game over ear cans. IER-Z1R will remain my ultimate treasured audio item regardless of what I have. I did sample it with the MDR-Z1R and saw no major audio difference other than the TA adds the extra juice and you don’t need to raise the volume high to get some good sound.
Do you guys see any benefit in getting the TA with the current cans I have listed in my signature? I don’t plan on going high price for end game as it seems like the 1AM2 and WH-1000XM3 are my end game over ear cans. IER-Z1R will remain my ultimate treasured audio item regardless of what I have. I did sample it with the MDR-Z1R and saw no major audio difference other than the TA adds the extra juice and you don’t need to raise the volume high to get some good sound.
The TA is a really nice piece of kit and it works great with both Z1R however if I had gotten the IER together with the 1Z 3 1/2 years ago and had 1TB microSD been available I doubt I would ever have bought the TA and the MDR, 1Z plus IER would have been end game for all my needs. That said it is nice to have a dedicated home rig with a source that has storage enough for all my music in hires format (on the 1TB in the 1Z I can only fit it all downsampled to 16/44 or 16/48) and also being able to connect my tv via optical to the TA and a big full size phone does things the IER can’t
Now I see there was no confusion, just deliberate misinformation in saying that USB cables are analog cables. I hadn't noticed that you're a commercial account for a store that sells unnecessarily overpriced USB cables, so now this makes sense. Hopefully head-fi is still a place where misinformation is called out promptly, especially when posted deliberately for commercial interests.
Anyway, most head-fiers should be smart enough, but with so much new people coming into the hobby it's better to be more alert and point out stuff like this.
Please re-read what I wrote. The USB standard is digital, but what goes through USB cables is analog in its form and there's no misinformation in this factual thing. It's not really debatable
Actually, a fair bit more than that. iFi audio is a rather large audio manufacturer with worldwide distribution network and multiple different products in its portfolio, please see here: https://ifi-audio.com/
Hopefully head-fi is still a place where misinformation is called out promptly, especially when posted deliberately for commercial interests.
Anyway, most head-fiers should be smart enough, but with so much new people coming into the hobby it's better to be more alert and point out stuff like this.
Actually, a fair bit more than that. iFi audio is a rather large audio manufacturer with worldwide distribution network and multiple different products in its portfolio, please see here: https://ifi-audio.com/
USB cables are likely at the top of the list for most profitable items you sell though, since they are all ultimately the same cheap Chineseum, but adding a few flares and with ridiculous marketing strategies and claims, they can be overpriced and thus yield a larger profit margin than most other audio products. Any "audiophile" USB cable vendor stands to gain from silly ideas (to put it mildly) such as USB cables being somehow analog. It's too transparent and not welcome in a user-centric forum.
If someone is defending such practice and is not a vendor it has to be because they were also fooled by such tactics and want to justify their misinformed purchases.
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iPhones do their own sampling and are overall not good source devices, so that's going to be the bigger factor in comparison to another source device more than connection types. The output is not configurable at all besides basic EQ. Phones in general should be avoided for serious listening.
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Don’t understand your point on iPhone doing its own sampling. When you have the Roon app running on an iPhone, it can be set up as a RAAT Roon Endpoint. Using the Apple USB adapter you get bit perfect output for PCM and DSD out of the iPhone, pretty much the same as with a microRendu. But that aside, the microRendu does sound better even though its the same data As the iPhone, minus perhaps noise and timing error, which theoretically should be irrelevant with asynchronous USB.
Any "audiophile" USB cable vendor stands to gain from silly ideas (to put it mildly) such as USB cables being somehow analog. It's too transparent and not welcome in a user-centric forum.
Being on this forum for several years I think that its users are very good in judging for themselves what's transparent and silly and what isn't. Let's leave this to them and communicate without any unpleasantries, alright? Thanks !
Again, what goes through them in fact is. But this aside, I think that you understand the whole context of what I wanted to say but don't agree with me, which is fine. Let's agree to disagree. Enjoy your weekend !
Don’t understand your point on iPhone doing its own sampling. When you have the Roon app running on an iPhone, it can be set up as a RAAT Roon Endpoint. Using the Apple USB adapter you get bit perfect output for PCM and DSD out of the iPhone, pretty much the same as with a microRendu. But that aside, the microRendu does sound better even though its the same data As the iPhone, minus perhaps noise and timing error, which theoretically should be irrelevant with asynchronous USB.
Oh, I was actually referring to the Music app on an iPhone. Totally forgot there's other apps since I don't really use mine for music
Hard to say what accounts for the difference. For the iPhone I suppose you need one of those lightning to 3.5mm jack adapter. Maybe the lightning protocol doesn't output as much power for headphone out? We'd have to look at the lightning specs for some clues.
Being on this forum for several years I think that its users are very good in judging for themselves what's transparent and silly and what isn't. Let's leave this to them and communicate without any unpleasantries, alright? Thanks !
But seriously, coax cable can be preferred for logistical reasons in industrial use cases, but for home use optical cables should always be chosen instead.
Well, it seems I've been dethroned as the obnoxious resident naysayer.
It's so nice come to the forum and see that the messages I was supposed to write have already been posted by someone else. Saves a lot of time.
@iFi audio If I may ask, who is the person behind this account? Is it the owner of iFi Audio, multiple random employees of the company or an employee dedicated to engaging the online community?
@iFi audio If I may ask, who is the person behind this account? Is it the owner of iFi Audio, multiple random employees of the company or an employee dedicated to engaging the online community?
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? I understand your message, we're discussing digital data, but the way how it's sent is analog. I tackled this subject just to emphasize that electric currents going thorugh USB cables aren't immune to external factors.
