[64Audio]

I've heard people say this before but I only experienced it for myself recently. I eqed some heavy bass when I went to the gym and noticed how much it changed the mids and dulled the treble.

The Nio is fun to experiment with too. With the m15/20, I'm not a huge fan of the bass for music that needs a faster decay. Swapping in the mx module is like giving the Nio ninja shoes. It feels so light and nimble.

I've had iems with tuning switches and never found much joy in changing them, but you guys did an amazing job with the apex modules. It's really like having 2-3 iems in one.


Also, I'm dying over here waiting for details on the new iems . Spare us this agony!

Enjoy Nio with the m20 module when listening to music at a very low volume. It is nice to still feel like the mix is full even at super low volumes. Also great to listen to them when listening to classic rock, there's sub bass information there but not usually much in the mix; fills out those recordings nicely.

 

[Vitaly2017]

Enjoy Nio with the m20 module when listening to music at a very low volume. It is nice to still feel like the mix is full even at super low volumes. Also great to listen to them when listening to classic rock, there's sub bass information there but not usually much in the mix; fills out those recordings nicely.

I found Nio very close to Noir sounding with M20 module, like it was almost like the noirs if blind listening I think one could think its the noir but tuned slightly differently.

For my Tiger ears noirs still sounded more refined and more fine in details and smoothness of the notes on the top felt very refined there.

 

[Tawek]

what a disappointment Tia Trio+ Wm1z - just sounds bad tuning is terrible , sounds in one line with the limitation of the invisible wall !!!
The sounds do not spread out naturally, only one big mess, plus the vocal that sounds in the middle of the head much worse than my modded Ex1000 !!!!
what's the fuss about?
it's not even worth $ 100 !!!!!

 

[Precogvision]

what a disappointment Tia Trio+ Wm1z - just sounds bad tuning is terrible , sounds in one line with the limitation of the invisible wall !!!
The sounds do not spread out naturally, only one big mess, plus the vocal that sounds in the middle of the head much worse than my modded Ex1000 !!!!
what's the fuss about?
it's not even worth $ 100 !!!!!

I think you might be comparing apples to oranges. The EX1K is a vented IEM with very little isolation, so its soundstage will inherently be more expansive; it’s a specialist that comes with its share of tonal quirks, namely in the treble.

Most will know that I‘m not much of an advocate for ”burn-in” or anything of the sort, but I do recommend giving yourself some time to adjust to the Trio. It’s tuned very well to my ears; objectively, graphs on paper likewise. But it’s also entirely possible that it’s just not to your taste! Something can be the best IEM on paper, loved by most everyone, but there'll always be people who it doesn't suit - that's just how this hobby goes, for better or worse.

 

[tawmizzzz]

what a disappointment Tia Trio+ Wm1z - just sounds bad tuning is terrible , sounds in one line with the limitation of the invisible wall !!!
The sounds do not spread out naturally, only one big mess, plus the vocal that sounds in the middle of the head much worse than my modded Ex1000 !!!!
what's the fuss about?
it's not even worth $ 100 !!!!!

Could also just be a poor synergy. I imagine you already checked that the cable is functional and/or plugged in the correct polarity (as that’s been an issue for some IEMs for me in the past).

In short, before writing it off, see if you can check it against another DAP or DAC and cable to get a better picture if something is off, or as precog mentioned, just not up your alley

 

[Damz87]

what a disappointment Tia Trio+ Wm1z - just sounds bad tuning is terrible , sounds in one line with the limitation of the invisible wall !!!
The sounds do not spread out naturally, only one big mess, plus the vocal that sounds in the middle of the head much worse than my modded Ex1000 !!!!
what's the fuss about?
it's not even worth $ 100 !!!!!

To echo @Precogvision , EX1000 has a pretty unique soundstage presentation for an IEM. I am yet to hear anything similar to be honest. So there might be a bit of an adjustment period going from EX1K to Trio.

 

[Wanny]

Agree, I have all the Fir modules and 64 Audi modules, they all sound different.

And another dimension of adjustment is the insert depth of the module. Instead of fully insert the module to the socket, pull it out a little bit, e.g pull out 0.5mm, 1mm, 1.5mm ...
The more you pull the module out, the sound stage becomes bigger, more relaxed, more holographic. - for casual, for fun.
Deeper the module insertion, the sound stage is smaller, but the music instruments' positioning is more precise, more focused. - for critical listening, for studio monitoring.


BTW, I like ADEL MAM module the best, I used to have the old A12 iem that's compatible with both ADEL and APEX form factor, to me ADEL MaM is more relaxed (less fatigure to the ear), more open and natural, bigger sound stage.

I will try pulling the module out just a tad tomorrow. Has anyone else done this?

 

[jadenh]

Speaking from my own experience as a reviewer rather than consumer, people sometimes complain that my reviews are too neutral and they can't figure out if I do or don't like something. That is a choice I make, to describe what I hear and how I hear it, let my readers make a decision if this is the right sound for them.

Just replying to say thanks to you and your reviews @twister6. I've been silently reading head-fi reviews long before I registered, and I really appreciate your insistence on being as neural as possible over the years: it makes a review much more informative to a wider range of audience, regardless of the preference differences between the reviewer and the readers. However, at times I do feel that you're probably being too courteous and trying too hard to avoid justified criticisms, which might give others false impressions; there's nothing wrong with that though, it's a personal writing choice.

 

[yfei]

To echo @Precogvision , EX1000 has a pretty unique soundstage presentation for an IEM. I am yet to hear anything similar to be honest. So there might be a bit of an adjustment period going from EX1K to Trio.

Spectrum plot (Cumulative Spectral Decay plot) can reveal much more than Frequency Response. From plot, you can see that from 100Hz to 5KHz EXK's decay is really fast and really uniform, that's why it's sound is 'special'. And EXK's high peak and long decay time at 6k Hz and 9k Hz maybe it's infamous 'sibilant' issue.

Frequency Response curve equal to Cumulative Spectral Decay plot's top-most line (the line at time t=0).
I think the HiFi community should abandon the tradition of using FR curve, because FR curve is pretty useless, it doesn't have real meaningful relation with the ear's perceived sound.
It's like 'Blind Men and the Elephant' analogy, Frequency Response plot is like only touching the back ridge of the elephant. Cumulative Spectral Decay is a full 3D scan of the elephant. HiFi community shall start using spectral plot as official language.

SONY EXK:

64 Audio Nio (with MX):

u12t:

 

[yfei]

When I say, spectral plot will reveal much more, an example is Nio with MX module, vs. M15 module.
Here is MX:

Here is M15:

The FR line is the first line (top most line), MX and M15's FR lines are not too different.
But the spectral energy, spectral decay are very different. MX has longer decay and energy for high freq.

 

[frestoinc]

had a chance to demo VE and 64 Audio lineups. Pull the plug on a A12t at the end of it.

Forgot to ask my dealer but what kind of case will i be getting? The rounded one or the rectangular one?

 

[Tristy]

When I say, spectral plot will reveal much more, an example is Nio with MX module, vs. M15 module.
Here is MX:

Here is M15:


The FR line is the first line (top most line), MX and M15's FR lines are not too different.
But the spectral energy, spectral decay are very different. MX has longer decay and energy for high freq.

I love looking at these graphs. Theres just something satisfying about them.

 

[uthood]

When I say, spectral plot will reveal much more, an example is Nio with MX module, vs. M15 module.
Here is MX:

Here is M15:


The FR line is the first line (top most line), MX and M15's FR lines are not too different.
But the spectral energy, spectral decay are very different. MX has longer decay and energy for high freq.

This is super interesting. Might this type of view begin to help us understand some of the things that seem "intangible" on a frequency response graph?

I wonder if, with enough practice, we might get to a point where we can see graph shapes that correlate with good soundstage or good imaging or good instrument separation?

Curious what setup is required to create your graphs.

 

[mwhals]

had a chance to demo VE and 64 Audio lineups. Pull the plug on a A12t at the end of it.

Forgot to ask my dealer but what kind of case will i be getting? The rounded one or the rectangular one?

Round cases could be with the IEMs now if it is of a newer batch.

 

[KuroKitsu]

had a chance to demo VE and 64 Audio lineups. Pull the plug on a A12t at the end of it.

Forgot to ask my dealer but what kind of case will i be getting? The rounded one or the rectangular one?

Should be the rounded aluminum one. I ordered mine around Christmas and got the rounded one.