dazzerfong
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Of course, but still the output impedance makes a biiiig difference. With LID, it's a fair bit more subtle. That's a plus in my book any day of the week.
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Of course, but still the output impedance makes a biiiig difference. With LID, it's a fair bit more subtle. That's a plus in my book any day of the week.
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Speaking of DAP rolling, I recently spent some time with an AK SP2000 and my A18ts. A powerful combination—the bass coming out of my A18ts was incredible.
The SP2000 has the best textured bass I’ve heard on any DAP.
Vitaly2017
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If only sp2k had 4.4 balanced!
Guess in 5 years will have it
Guess in 5 years will have it
dazzerfong
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When you made a standard, no way in hell are you gonna surrender it!
Man 2.5mm is the worst standard ever made for audio. 4.4mm is so much better!
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What’s the difference? (Please don’t say 1.9
of course, all my cables are 2.5mm, so....
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Yeah, it wasn’t boomy, just deep. And my 18s put out more than I thought they were capable of.
Yet more evidence that our IEMs are more capable than we think, and source is a significant bottleneck.
I’d convinced myself it wasn’t worth the money to upgrade from the 1000M, but now I’m doubting myself again...
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dazzerfong
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What’s the difference? (Please don’t say 1.9
of course, all my cables are 2.5mm, so....
Well, I was gonna say 0.0748"...............
Sound quality isn't the problem, it's the plug design overall:
1. Smaller than 3.5mm, so strength issues. Particularly for DAPs where thickness is clearly not a design parameter, why are you using a plug that is smaller than normal?
2. Lack of ground. This is an issue when connecting to an external mains-powered amp. For an optimal balanced and differential connection, you need that ground.
3. Bigger = better. See point 1.
I'll be fair though - the good thing about 2.5mm is that it can be converted to any size with the smallest adapters. If you're adapting a 4.4mm to 2.5mm, it's gonna be a phat connector.
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Well, I was gonna say 0.0748"...............
Sound quality isn't the problem, it's the plug design overall:
1. Smaller than 3.5mm, so strength issues. Particularly for DAPs where thickness is clearly not a design parameter, why are you using a plug that is smaller than normal?
2. Lack of ground. This is an issue when connecting to an external mains-powered amp. For an optimal balanced and differential connection, you need that ground.
3. Bigger = better. See point 1.
I'll be fair though - the good thing about 2.5mm is that it can be converted to any size with the smallest adapters. If you're adapting a 4.4mm to 2.5mm, it's gonna be a phat connector.
Does anyone know why there are plenty of right-angled adapters for 4.4mm but absolutely zero right-angled jacks? I haven’t been able to find a single one for DIY or even pre-made cables,
mvvRAZ
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I used to own the 1000M, and when I tried the 2000 I didn’t find it to be a worthwhile upgrade. Much preferred the WM1ZYeah, it wasn’t boomy, just deep. And my 18s put out more than I thought they were capable of.
Yet more evidence that our IEMs are more capable than we think, and source is a significant bottleneck.
I’d convinced myself it wasn’t worth the money to upgrade from the 1000M, but now I’m doubting myself again...
mvvRAZ
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Yeah I've been one of the more vocal opponents of LID and LID-like tech
The thing is though, as odd as it might be, a friend who's impressions I trust as much as I trust my own has reported that his A12t is pretty much one of the most source-responsive IEMs he owns. On paper I understand what LID does, but I am also starting to suspect there's something else going on because even IEMs with LID tend to have a highly variable sound signature depending on source
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Yeah I've been one of the more vocal opponents of LID and LID-like tech
The thing is though, as odd as it might be, a friend who's impressions I trust as much as I trust my own has reported that his A12t is pretty much one of the most source-responsive IEMs he owns. On paper I understand what LID does, but I am also starting to suspect there's something else going on because even IEMs with LID tend to have a highly variable sound signature depending on source
My opinion is that the most crucial aspect of source is the DAC, which isn’t influenced by LID at all....
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... to its main competitor Sony
I would like to eat my words, but don't forsee 4.4mm and LDAC in A&K near future.
dazzerfong
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... to its main competitor Sony
Me neither. That being said, I'm a huge fan of Sony's DAPs, so doesn't particularly hurt me at all. Do A&K DAPs even come with native Google Play Services support?
Yeah I've been one of the more vocal opponents of LID and LID-like tech
The thing is though, as odd as it might be, a friend who's impressions I trust as much as I trust my own has reported that his A12t is pretty much one of the most source-responsive IEMs he owns. On paper I understand what LID does, but I am also starting to suspect there's something else going on because even IEMs with LID tend to have a highly variable sound signature depending on source
Guess I'll see - mine are arriving on Friday. Have my phone, ZX300, O2 amp and RME to put through its paces.
That being said, I did see a review somewhere of the U12t where the measured it with an OI of <1ohm, and then a subsequent measurement with an impedance adapter of around 75 ohms. Both looked the same. I wish I remembered where I saw it - would definitely post it here.
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Headphones.com forum, perhaps? I believe I saw something similar there as well...
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