Nov 20, 2018 at 7:13 AM Post #436 of 634
Also it's handy to mention that RE2000 Silver has the 2-pin connectors the right way around now, the gold ones are reversed compared to most brands (notch on the inside, not outside)

I remember we had this discussion last year man. Tbh, I didn't find that an issue because as long as you are consistent with the polarity of 2pin connector between L/R sides, you don't have to worry about the phasing effect. But yeah, Hifiman stock cable has notch and L/R marking on the housing of the connector flipped between gold and silver stock cables. But I didn't find that an issue and mentioned in the review that you need to be consistent between sides. But yeah, I noticed they flipped the connector marking on the stock cable.
 
Nov 20, 2018 at 3:09 PM Post #437 of 634
In your RE2000 Gold review you mentioned that RE has more soundstage width than Andro, but in this review you said RE Silver has less soundstage width than Andro, does that means the silver version has a noticeably narrower soundstage than the gold version?

I just spent half an hour going back'n'forth between Andro and RE2000 Gold and Silver. Was using Plenue 2 as my source, to be consistent with the original RE2k gold testing. I can't tell you why I said before that Andro soundstage is wider then RE2k Silver, but right now I clearly hear both Gold and Silver to have a similar soundstage expansion/width which is a little bit wider than Andro. I went back and corrected my review. The only thing I can't tell you if there is a difference between 2+ year old Andro I had before (the one I had to send for replacement) vs the new one I received as a replacement. Thank you for pointing out this discrepancy.

Another thing to keep in mind, every review is just a single data point, often subjective and based on how we hear things. People use different sources, different songs, different eartips, have different hearing level, etc. So, it's always good to read all the reviews and impressions to paint the full picture of the product.
 
Nov 20, 2018 at 9:34 PM Post #438 of 634
Excellent!


First off....which do you prefer and for what types of music?

I found that with the ie800 the bass would bleed into the mids and combined with the “V” shaped sound signature muddled the mids lessening the detail.

Does the RE2000 Silver do the same?

The bass intro to Eagles’ Hotel California on the Hell Freezes Over Album has some great bass and sub bass. If you are able to listen to that track I would love to know which is more impactfull.

Are the RE2000 at all sibilant particularily with female vocals?



Finally...if they were the same price...$800, is one clearly better than the other.


Thanks,

Ken

RE800 is still a king for Acoustic music, be it the original, or the silver. They really shine with acoustic :)

Ie800 is a jack-of-all-trades, as long as your music doesn't require the midrange to be forward. Or even equal with the bass and the treble, because Ie800 has a really V-shaped sound with the midrange being pulled considerably compared to the bass and the treble.

RE2000 Silver doesn't feel like that in the bass actually, I like it quite a bit for their midrange. The midrange isn't as pulled back as it is on IE800, which is great for its versatility, and the overall resolution and texturization is better than IE800.

I don't think RE2000 is sibilant at all, but I am really not very sensitive to sibilance, to me IE800 is a bit sibilant, but not extremely. If you found IE800 very sibilant, then maybe you are a bit more sensitive to sibilance than I am :)
 
Nov 21, 2018 at 7:59 AM Post #440 of 634
RE800 is still a king for Acoustic music, be it the original, or the silver. They really shine with acoustic :)

Ie800 is a jack-of-all-trades, as long as your music doesn't require the midrange to be forward. Or even equal with the bass and the treble, because Ie800 has a really V-shaped sound with the midrange being pulled considerably compared to the bass and the treble.

RE2000 Silver doesn't feel like that in the bass actually, I like it quite a bit for their midrange. The midrange isn't as pulled back as it is on IE800, which is great for its versatility, and the overall resolution and texturization is better than IE800.

I don't think RE2000 is sibilant at all, but I am really not very sensitive to sibilance, to me IE800 is a bit sibilant, but not extremely. If you found IE800 very sibilant, then maybe you are a bit more sensitive to sibilance than I am :)

Well, that's what happens George when you listen to "death metal" at high volume all the time, it kills your ear sensitivity :D
 
Nov 21, 2018 at 1:36 PM Post #441 of 634
Well, that's what happens George when you listen to "death metal" at high volume all the time, it kills your ear sensitivity :D

Come one, Alex, I can't headbang to Diana Krall like I can to some quality Death Metal :)

Even some Metallica will hit the sweet spot with them RE2000 Silvers :)

Also, you are absolutely correct, and people should really be taking better care of their hearing, listening to aggressive music at loud volumes can really kill one's hearing... I am really sad I wasn't aware of this years ago, but at least now I can practice safer listening, and maybe some day safer headbanging :)
 
Dec 2, 2018 at 10:01 AM Post #442 of 634
Got my Silvers 2 days ago. Still trying to get a handle on the signature, but first impressions out of a Questyle QP2R are:

Still able to use low gain on the QP2R, but needs quite a bit more juice than my Noble Encore not just for the same volume level, but to open up sonically
Short nozzles make tip rolling tricky; you may need to size up to get a good seal, but this may impact insertion depth . I ended up using Spin-fits, but am still experimenting. Will try larger Symbios next.
Sound signature changes quite a bit with choice of tips: do not draw impressions until a good seal and depth insertion is achieved (all the more reason to take these first impressions with a grain of salt)
Build quality is OK, but feels a bit light weight; pales in comparison to my Noble Encores. Note that the cable on the Silver does not have the right angled connector supplied with the Gold.
Excellent, tight, textured bass with nice but not overdone sub bass rumble
Open, clear mid range with forward upper midrange leading to (IMO) a slightly brighter than natural tone that might appeal to many. Sibilance is low so these will sound very detailed on quality recordings.
Some peakiness in the lower to mid treble; not sure exactly where, but can be unpleasant on recordings with too much energy in that general area ... YMMV based on your sensitivity to that area.
Good extension on the high end with a nice airy sound
Wide soundstaging with good image placement within the stage

Overall brighter signature than my Noble Encores with slightly less natural sounding mids-lower treble, but better bass and what initially appears to be airier highs . If you think the Encores are already too bright then stay away from these.

Not having heard a lot of $1500+ IEMS I can't really comment on relative value at the Gold's asking price especially given that I think paying anything over $500 for ANY earphone regardless of performance is kind of crazy. However relative to other earphones I have heard at the asking price of the Silver I think these are actually a really good buy.

Now back to listening ...
 
Dec 6, 2018 at 7:31 PM Post #443 of 634
hey guys is there any good cable upgrades for the hifiman re2000 the ones that come with the iem is not so good, would alo tinsel 2 pin work or do I need to get a cable with the key notch in mind as well any help would go a long way in terms of giving some good cable names
 
Dec 6, 2018 at 9:24 PM Post #444 of 634
hey guys is there any good cable upgrades for the hifiman re2000 the ones that come with the iem is not so good, would alo tinsel 2 pin work or do I need to get a cable with the key notch in mind as well any help would go a long way in terms of giving some good cable names

I will be looking into aftermarket cables before publishing my review on RE2000 Silver :)
 
Dec 8, 2018 at 12:49 PM Post #446 of 634
hey guys is there any good cable upgrades for the hifiman re2000 the ones that come with the iem is not so good, would alo tinsel 2 pin work or do I need to get a cable with the key notch in mind as well any help would go a long way in terms of giving some good cable names

Not so good in what way ... impact on sound quality, build?

I just picked up a set of Plussound Exo series balanced cable to use with my Questyle QP2R and am quite happy with it. The build quality is great and I think I'm hearing slightly more bass and a smoother top end. Not night and day, but enough to notice. I can't say if or how much of this is the cable due to the switch from single ended to balanced, but I don't think I would like the sound signature to change from what it is now.

The more I listen to these earphones the more I realize what a steal they are relative to similar performing iems at the Black Friday pricing. They are a really excellent match with the QP2R.
 
Dec 9, 2018 at 4:56 AM Post #447 of 634
Not so good in what way ... impact on sound quality, build?

I just picked up a set of Plussound Exo series balanced cable to use with my Questyle QP2R and am quite happy with it. The build quality is great and I think I'm hearing slightly more bass and a smoother top end. Not night and day, but enough to notice. I can't say if or how much of this is the cable due to the switch from single ended to balanced, but I don't think I would like the sound signature to change from what it is now.

The more I listen to these earphones the more I realize what a steal they are relative to similar performing iems at the Black Friday pricing. They are a really excellent match with the QP2R.
At $799 the RE2000 Silver are sonically excellent. They have lots of competition at $1500. From a build quality perspective, they are lazy and poorly made. I also find that the shape doesn't fit my ear without discomfort and is generally suited for larger ears. I haven't done a cable comparison in my upcoming review, but I can endorse the quality of PlusSound and Double Helix cables, especially. The ergonomics on Effect Audio's 26 AWG cables are great. They also have a sound for everyone, but that is an indication of how their cables do have distinct personalities, so should be tried. If you want straight up neutrality with improved resolution and stage, Double Helix silver cables are about as good as it gets.
 
Dec 21, 2018 at 11:06 AM Post #448 of 634
My impressions of RE2000 Silver:

- Let's start with the basics, they have the same build quality and comfort as RE2000, just painted silver. I loved the fit of RE2000 and it works really well with my ears, much much more comfortable than IE800, for example. They are just comfy.
- The plastic and metal combination points feels better now, seems like they have been placing more effort into it. Of course, other flagships all have their own unique designs, like ATLAS, which is an all metal build, but really, I think HIFIMAN is on the right track with RE2000 Silver in terms of QC.
- I can't say I like the original cable, it is a bit tangle-prone, but not too much. The cable now comes with a straight connector, which is good, not many people liked the original angled connector. I think the cable will hold up fairly well to long-term usage, and I can recommend HIFIMAN once again for cable shipping, when I needed a cable replacement (because of my own mistake), they shipped it. and it reached me in 48 hours or so. Their accessories really come quick when you need them
- The package is not quite as good as some may expect, full cardboard box, feels a tad raw compared to other flagships. The carrying case is still great, I for one, like it. If you want to do yourself a favor, please place a little bag of silica in that carrying case to keep RE2000 dry and nice!
- The package includes pretty much the same things as RE2000, no major differences there. I really wish there were Spinfit tips in there, they just work so well with RE2000, but I do have the whole collection of Spifit tips already from Spinfit, but if you're getting RE2000, you can do yourself a favor and get some Spinfit tips!
- Ergonomics are great, there are no microphonics (thinking that there are a very few on ATLAS, and A LOT on IE800 for comparison), RE2000's cables present no microphonics.
- Isolation is OK with Spinfit tips, you can barely hear what is going on around you without music playing, and you can't hear the world outside with music playing. You can wear RE2000 under a hat, and I am actually getting amazing comfort with them, some of the most comfy for me. No void, no uneven pressure, just comfy for my ears.
- Compared to RE2000, the sound is actually more balanced, more even, more fit to be called universal. The bass feels a bit attenuated, with a few dB's, so you're getting a bit less sub-bass rumble, but with that same smooth, deep and powerful bass, a similar really detailed and clear midrange, and the treble seems to have less of a peak, so now you're getting a much more natural treble, with better overall extension and more air between the instruments.
- They are not easy to drive, need quite a bit of power, but they are fairly imprevious to hiss, you need a really hissy source for RE2000 to have hiss.
- To talk about the signature end to end, the bass is tight, deep, and powerful. IT has a nice amount of impact, and is well controlled, but it is about slightly above neutral, not very much in amount, yet with a really impressive quality to it. I'd call it a high-quality bass without too much emphasis.
- The midrange is overly clear, really amazingly well separated, lots of instruments and sounds, each having its own space and bounds, every little symbol and effect having a really nicely well defined space and limt. The midrange is leaning towards an analytical side, that is still musical. Lots of textures, like they are with an analytical signature, but they aren't forward or harsh or aggressive, but instead they are musical. Kinda like how Tubes are super detailed, all while being musical.
- The treble is a mixed bag really, there still is a bit of a peak at around 5-7kHz, but it isn't very large this time around, resulting in a much more natural treble, with a better overall extension (the larger peak in the golden version made the extension feel a bit less)
- Soundstage is quite large, and instrument separation is out-of-this-world good.
- Textures are really great.
- I can't comment on the price at this moment, but for 800USD, if you're looking for a slightly V-shaped to balanced IEM, those are absolutely amazing, while for 1.5K USD, they still have their place and I think they're still quite amazing, just have more competition, and things become mroe specific when trying to decide which would fit you best.
- I totally recommend the Silver version, and I think it has enough bass, enough clarity, and a nice enough treble to make all new listeners fall in love, especially if you can snatch them at their lowered price
- Of course this is a very subjective statement, but I really love the sound of RE800 Silver. The bass is just the right amount to make me happy, same for the sub-bass, really that line of being slightly more than neutral hits a sweet spot for me, bass guitars sound just too natural with it to ignore, and the treble has the right amount of extension and decay to feel natural, just like a cymbal hit, while the midrange has the right thickness and tone to make voices, like those from Rock and Alternative bands be really really spot on, sweet and emotional, without being too forward, nor too recessed, just where I'd want them. IF your main musical styles are alternative, rock, indie, metal, those are a perfect match, one made in heaven.

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Dec 24, 2018 at 4:53 AM Post #449 of 634
will silver version benefit from other (better) cables? Balanced ones...? Since i plan to switch from Lg V20 to V30, Fiio X7ii or another android based dap, possibly with balanced output.

How is the sound compared to gold version?
 
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Dec 24, 2018 at 7:15 AM Post #450 of 634
will silver version benefit from other (better) cables? Balanced ones...? Since i plan to switch from Lg V20 to V30, Fiio X7ii or another android based dap, possibly with balanced output.

How is the sound compared to gold version?

Yes there is an improvement or more accurately a difference with aftermarket cables vs stock on the Silver. Whether or not that difference is perceived as significant or an improvement is highly subjective and will vary with the listener. The stock cable performs very well though.

As stated in my prevous post I got very good results with the Plussound cable, but even better results recently (more natural midrange and treble) with the Penon Audio GD849. I thought the GD849 would be too thick to work comfortably with the RE2000, but was pleasantly surprised to find out that was not the case.

The impact of balanced versus single ended will likely depend on the DAP. On the QP2R there is an improvement.

The previous post by @Dobrescu George and @twister6 on his website both do a great job comparing the Silver to the original Gold. Summary: Silver is more comfortable, better balanced and closer to a neutral signature. A much better buy and a steal at the special price IMO.
 

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